bkroll building question

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Since I have no experience in either game, I can't refute what you're saying, but I'd like to hear others weigh in on this. I find it hard to believe. I don't remember which book, but I believe Sklansky rates NL Hold'em as the game requiring the most skill out of all poker games. I'm not 100% sure though.

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To expand on this--I think you're thinking that an unskilled player loses at NL faster than they do at limit. This is true, but it doesn't mean that it's harder to become a skilled NL player--it's actually a much simpler game.

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I agree.

If you're not playing for a living, or you're a pro but you're playing at limits higher than the lowest limit you'd need to meet your expenses and have some non-BR money set aside to keep you going for a few months, taking shots is the fastest way to move up.

If you're trying to churn out 6,000 as fast as possible with very little risk, 5/10 (6max) is the way to go. If you don't mind the risk of running bad and having to step down, just start the 15 now.

In a more general sense, I think players just starting out in online poker who are unwilliing to invest a lot of money ought to look at capped buyin NL games. Moving up/down at 10 buyin thresholds in 50 BB maxbuy games is probably the fastest way to move up to a decent 3/6 or 5/10 limit roll. More importantly, NL is a much easier game to learn.

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This is a very good way provided the loss is sustainable. The 5/10 is good, but of course the better the game, the wilder the swings/variance.

I've also applied this technique to casino "whoring" as well. I've built up a nice a casino bonus over the last month whoring the bonus's and now I'm ready to tackle some other trickier, tougher bonus as well. But I have a solid bankroll for that I built that up from just $200.

So my sugggestion is that if anyone is looking to build a bankroll quickly, and can afford to handle a 100 BB loss - do it in the 5/10 SH. Just be aware it's a bigger risk, but the reward is definitely worth it. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Lawrence

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So my sugggestion is that if anyone is looking to build a bankroll quickly, and can afford to handle a 100 BB loss - do it in the 5/10 SH. Just be aware it's a bigger risk, but the reward is definitely worth it.

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I was talking about bugstud's situation from earlier in the thread:

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I more or less did all of them and am sitting at the cusp of having a roll for 15/30 (12K) and was wondering how to best tack on another 6 or so to get it to a comfort zone.

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I did not mean to imply that I thought anybody with $1000 ought to hop into 5/10 (6max). I just think it's the smallest and tamest game where a skilled player with an adequate bankroll can make $6000 pretty quickly.

Since bugstud didn't seem comfortable moving into the 15 with 300 BB and seemed to want a low risk avenue for padding his roll a bit, I mentioned the 5/10 (6max) option.

I think he would make the most money hopping straight into the 15 as long as he was prepared to hop back down if he ran poorly.

I think many skilled players would go broke trying to start playing 5/10 (6max) with $1000. Some, perhaps many, would not, but I think the risk of losing the $1000 is very high. I also think that $1000 isn't enough money to multitable, and multitabling is the main reason the 5/10 short game is worth a decent amount of money relative to the risk.

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So my sugggestion is that if anyone is looking to build a bankroll quickly, and can afford to handle a 100 BB loss - do it in the 5/10 SH. Just be aware it's a bigger risk, but the reward is definitely worth it.

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I was talking about bugstud's situation from earlier in the thread:

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I more or less did all of them and am sitting at the cusp of having a roll for 15/30 (12K) and was wondering how to best tack on another 6 or so to get it to a comfort zone.

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I did not mean to imply that I thought anybody with $1000 ought to hop into 5/10 (6max). I just think it's the smallest and tamest game where a skilled player with an adequate bankroll can make $6000 pretty quickly.

Since bugstud didn't seem comfortable moving into the 15 with 300 BB and seemed to want a low risk avenue for padding his roll a bit, I mentioned the 5/10 (6max) option.

I think he would make the most money hopping straight into the 15 as long as he was prepared to hop back down if he ran poorly.

I think many skilled players would go broke trying to start playing 5/10 (6max) with $1000. Some, perhaps many, would not, but I think the risk of losing the $1000 is very high. I also think that $1000 isn't enough money to multitable, and multitabling is the main reason the 5/10 short game is worth a decent amount of money relative to the risk.

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I've currently been two tabling the 15/30 and running good thus far, maybe I'll get it there [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Since I have no experience in either game, I can't refute what you're saying, but I'd like to hear others weigh in on this. I find it hard to believe. I don't remember which book, but I believe Sklansky rates NL Hold'em as the game requiring the most skill out of all poker games. I'm not 100% sure though.

Justin A


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I'm pretty sure that this isn't true.
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Well, in "Poker, gaming & life", in the secion : for the studious player, Sklansky lists 10 games that are best for the studious player from best to worst... NL holdem is at the bottom, #10 and it says:

"This is the hardest game to learn from a book. Experience and instinct play too large a role, especially when the game is shorthanded."

LHE is listed at # 8:

"only the first round is fairly automatic. From then on there is plenty of room for insightful play."

He probably is talking about uncapped NL games, but still, this might have been what you were thinking of Justin

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Party NL 25 is so soft that you can eight table and peddle the nuts and build your roll with very little variance.

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Yeah but there are not that many people out there who want to 8 table without blowing their brains out.

Also 12 tabling is the new 8 tabling.

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You 12-table now Sponger?!?

I usually go 4 6-max and nut peddle an additional 4 full ring. My god the 6-max tables are cuddly bear soft.

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You 12-table now Sponger?!?

I usually go 4 6-max and nut peddle an additional 4 full ring. My god the 6-max tables are cuddly bear soft.

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I did for a little bit. Right now and in the future i'm going to 8 table 6-max. I'm playing $25nl right now due to low varience and soft as charmin ultra games.

The $50 and $100nl full games on party are just too tight.

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You 12-table now Sponger?!?

I usually go 4 6-max and nut peddle an additional 4 full ring. My god the 6-max tables are cuddly bear soft.

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I did for a little bit. Right now and in the future i'm going to 8 table 6-max. I'm playing $25nl right now due to low varience and soft as charmin ultra games.

The $50 and $100nl full games on party are just too tight.

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I tried out Party NL 50 for about 15,000 hands but had marginal BB/100. I played mostly during the daytime so I don't know if that makes a different, but the table VPIP was usually in the lower to mid 20's. I do crush the NL 50 / 100 tables on other sites with deeper stacks so I just play elsewhere.

However, what keeps me coming back to Party is definately the NL 25 6-max tables though.