AA line I've never taken before...

[Woolygimp]

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To all those saying "nice hand sir" i have a question:

Are you insane?

Without alot more specific information on villian, i don't just think this is bad. It's terrible....Putting villian on AA - QQ based on the fact that he called your reraise and he's played tight over 300 hands is terrbile. And if he's that tight you should probably be reraising this guy with any 2.

Many people who play very tight preflop are not nearly as tight when it comes to calling raises and reraises. Many get attached to 'good' hands. They think, "I'm playing tight but i'm not going to get pushed around".....This guy could have as little as AK-AQ, or AA-77. And checking the flop is giving him a license to steal (just because he's tight doesn't mean he's not gonna bet his 10-10 to find out where he is).

Granted, this is not an ideal flop but sometimes you just gotta shove some chips in the pot. Close your eyes if necessary, bet the flop, and play poker from there!

[edit] one more comment: When you reraise preflop and get 2-way action you should be betting flop 100% of the time.

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I couldn't disagree more with this sentiment. Just shoving chips in there is bad poker, we make money by proceeding with calculated decisions which utilize the highest ev possible. Sure our decisions may be wrong occassionally but the majority of the time they are right, and this is one of those cases. Sure he COULD have 23o...
Hell most of the time people raise they COULD have 27o, so next time I see a raise im going to push with 73o because im a huge favorite.

Seriously, this is one of the times you take the hit and fold.

[aggie]

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I couldn't disagree more with this sentiment. Just shoving chips in there is bad poker, we make money by proceeding with calculated decisions which utilize the highest ev possible. Sure our decisions may be wrong occassionally but the majority of the time they are right, and this is one of those cases. Sure he COULD have 23o...
Hell most of the time people raise they COULD have 27o, so next time I see a raise im going to push with 73o because im a huge favorite.

Seriously, this is one of the times you take the hit and fold.

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i often make bold statements on this forum and then somebody picks apart everything i said and basically puts me in my place....This is NOT one of those times.....Check folding this flop IS horrible. And this is one of the worst counter arguments i have seen.

If we think villian only calls a preflop reraise with only AA, KK and QQ we should reraise him EVERY time.....He's raising 7.83% of his hands (many more than just AA-QQ)....We'll pick up so many pots right? WRONG!!!! The reason we don't do this is because people DO call reraises with other hands. And since we hold 2 aces and theres a king and a queen on the flop, hands like 10-10 and J-J become MUCH more likely. Sets aren't that easy to flop.

And as a general poker rule, it's good to have the initiative. If i had reraised preflop with JJ i would definitely bet the flop (even though i was very likely beaten). Betting out with AA is an absolute no brainer. Garland said this is the first time he's ever done something like this. He'd be well off if he made it his last

[Garland]

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If i had reraised preflop with JJ i would definitely bet the flop (even though i was very likely beaten)

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I like a lot of what you're expressing, but I don't feel it's prudent to put money in the pot if you feel you were "very likely beaten."

Garland

[aggie]

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I like a lot of what you're expressing, but I don't feel it's prudent to put money in the pot if you feel you were "very likely beaten."


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Why? I sometimes make giant reraises when i'm POSITIVE i'm beaten just to see if my opponent will fold. You do realize you don't need the best hand to win in poker right?

[Woolygimp]

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I couldn't disagree more with this sentiment. Just shoving chips in there is bad poker, we make money by proceeding with calculated decisions which utilize the highest ev possible. Sure our decisions may be wrong occassionally but the majority of the time they are right, and this is one of those cases. Sure he COULD have 23o...
Hell most of the time people raise they COULD have 27o, so next time I see a raise im going to push with 73o because im a huge favorite.

Seriously, this is one of the times you take the hit and fold.

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i often make bold statements on this forum and then somebody picks apart everything i said and basically puts me in my place....This is NOT one of those times.....Check folding this flop IS horrible. And this is one of the worst counter arguments i have seen.

If we think villian only calls a preflop reraise with only AA, KK and QQ we should reraise him EVERY time.....He's raising 7.83% of his hands (many more than just AA-QQ)....We'll pick up so many pots right? WRONG!!!! The reason we don't do this is because people DO call reraises with other hands. And since we hold 2 aces and theres a king and a queen on the flop, hands like 10-10 and J-J become MUCH more likely. Sets aren't that easy to flop.

And as a general poker rule, it's good to have the initiative. If i had reraised preflop with JJ i would definitely bet the flop (even though i was very likely beaten). Betting out with AA is an absolute no brainer. Garland said this is the first time he's ever done something like this. He'd be well off if he made it his last

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Aggie I'm not trying to put you in your place, but there is an absolute argument for Garlands play here. Alot of AVERAGE PLAYERS (WITH 16% VPIP) check behind here with JJ-22 because they are afraid of a C/R on a damn scary flop against a PF re-raiser. Not only that, Garland made a MASSIVE pf raise, someone with 16% VPIP doesn't call that with random cards.

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To all those saying "nice hand sir" i have a question:

Are you insane?

Without alot more specific information on villian, i don't just think this is bad. It's terrible....Putting villian on AA - QQ based on the fact that he called your reraise and he's played tight over 300 hands is terrbile. And if he's that tight you should probably be reraising this guy with any 2.

Many people who play very tight preflop are not nearly as tight when it comes to calling raises and reraises. Many get attached to 'good' hands. They think, "I'm playing tight but i'm not going to get pushed around".....This guy could have as little as AK-AQ, or AA-77. And checking the flop is giving him a license to steal (just because he's tight doesn't mean he's not gonna bet his 10-10 to find out where he is).

Granted, this is not an ideal flop but sometimes you just gotta shove some chips in the pot. Close your eyes if necessary, bet the flop, and play poker from there!

[edit] one more comment: When you reraise preflop and get 2-way action you should be betting flop 100% of the time.

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I am new to this particular forum, and this post shocked me. I was reading through the post waiting for this type of answer and finally I found it.

Ok granted, it is quite possible that the dude flopped a set, but there are a bunch of other hands he could have to bet here. You just HAVE to lead out - how can you play AA like this, how can you play poker like this ? Its way too passive IMO

Like this guy said, the opponent could easily have 99-JJ, or AK, maybe even less. Your check looks like you have the underpair and you have given up the hand. I know I would bet in his spot, with ANYTHING, you are either slowplaying a monster or giving up the hand, and s worth betting to find out.

Maybe you made a great play, and if you are happy then that is fine, but I really think you are giving your opponent way too much respect.

BTW I play these stakes, and I would say I am a LAG, maybe that is where we disagree, but its just my 2 cents.

argreed. hes tight but does that not mean he might save that tightness to fire in a bluff when he thinks it will work?

[FlyingStart]

No.. If he's a good player it could mean that, but in general if he is tight, he is less likely to bluff. Game theory so to speak

edit: I mean, if one were to use the agrument that he was loose and somewhat aggressive and therefore might be bluffing, it is not possible to use the argument that he is tight and therefore also is bluffing. In that case he would always be more likely to bluff..

[Noo Yawk]

Anything but betting the flop here is just guessing. Pre-flop he could put you on a lot of hands including a steal re-raise and he is apt to call with alot more than QQ or KK. Bet the the flop and you can at least make an educated guess. There is no proof here that your behind.

[swarm]

I would bet the flop, I had a villan call my reraise w/QQ from 12 to 50 today with 45s. He hit 3 4's on the flop hence why I know what he had and stated that he had 3 to 1 on this call. Some villans don't understand odds and will call with all types of things.

The tough decision comes if he just calls flat calls the bet, i'm probably ready to dump it now unless i have a good read on the guy.