BK and I disagree - Page 4

DeeJ · #1 09-29-2005, 11:51 AM

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I think this depends on your read of SB. If bk is right, he may not checkraise. If schneids is right, he almost certainly will. Certainly the free card is attractive because you can pick up a huge hand well disguised that can win big.

Tommy Angelo · #2 09-29-2005, 02:34 PM

I'd bet, for lots of reasons.

1) I might have the best hand.

2) Maybe somebody will fold.

3) Maybe somebody will checkraise with a draw and the hand will right away go to heads up with me last with a pair against a possible bluff which equals easy showdown if I wanna.

4) But here's the main reason. If no one checkraises after I bet the flop, then maybe whoever is still in there on the turn will check the turn to me and I can decide then if I want to bet my pair if I think it's still good, or check it if I think it isn't, and take the infinite odds I am getting to catch a three. (Plus I might pick up a straight draw on the turn as well.) I really like the idea of seeing the turn and river for one small bet. And even if I don't improve, I'll be in position to call down a river bluff if that seems right, or check behind on the river if it comes to that, or maybe even bet the river for value if I get checked to again. Lots of good things can happen on this hand that all start with a flop bet.

Tommy

J.A.Sucker · #3 09-29-2005, 02:43 PM

... and I was gonna just say "bet 'cause that's what you're supposed to do, 'cause that's what feels right." I like what you said better. Good to see you yesterday, boss.

obi---one · #4 09-29-2005, 09:05 PM

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I'd bet, for lots of reasons.

1) I might have the best hand.

2) Maybe somebody will fold.

3) Maybe somebody will checkraise with a draw and the hand will right away go to heads up with me last with a pair against a possible bluff which equals easy showdown if I wanna.

4) But here's the main reason. If no one checkraises after I bet the flop, then maybe whoever is still in there on the turn will check the turn to me and I can decide then if I want to bet my pair if I think it's still good, or check it if I think it isn't, and take the infinite odds I am getting to catch a three. (Plus I might pick up a straight draw on the turn as well.) I really like the idea of seeing the turn and river for one small bet. And even if I don't improve, I'll be in position to call down a river bluff if that seems right, or check behind on the river if it comes to that, or maybe even bet the river for value if I get checked to again. Lots of good things can happen on this hand that all start with a flop bet.

Tommy

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yeah, what he says

bernie · #5 09-29-2005, 02:56 PM

It's a little easier if it's a rainbow flop.

I'd bet. Anyone folding getting at least 15-1 is folding wrong most likely.

If a non flush card/no A hits you may have to bet again. Or you can take the free card but remember, you're now inducing a bluff on the river. So it may be better to bet the turn and take a free showdown if possible. The turn is where youd be representing a pair more than the flop. They'll probably put you on an overpair to the flop at that point.

It's almost a 'which street do you want for free' deal. Any heat and you're gone.

I think it's close.

b

PokerCad · #6 09-29-2005, 03:12 PM

Good info thread, I like Tommy's take

Masquerade · #7 09-29-2005, 03:37 PM

Just take the free card. The pot is big enough that anything plausible is almost worth a call so betting wont necessarily mean that callers are making a mistake. There are plenty of good cards for you on the turn. Sometimes exploiting position means taking a free card in this spot.

hobbsmann · #8 09-29-2005, 03:43 PM

A nearly identical situation with some interesting discussion for those interested (commerce 9/18 hand from jason_t)

22 hand

Masquerade · #9 09-29-2005, 07:50 PM

Holding 22 on a T44 flop isnt a nearly identical situation to holding 3c 3x on a 5c 4c 5x board. It's totally unrelated situation. You only have 2 outs.

In this case any 2 or 6 lets you continue, with the 6c or 2c giving you a strong hand in addition to the two 3s. Thats why checking and taking the free card is better.

arkady · #10 09-29-2005, 06:10 PM

Personally, I bet - the only argument for checking would be to raise any turn, which may or may not be a good move. I for one don't think it is, since you are representing a 5 and given how many people saw the flop, no one would believe that trips check on the button....but its possible I guess.