Should I limp 22 UTG?

[bisonbison]

These are 3/6 stats, and the ASF numbers for the months vary between 29% and 33%

[cockandbull]

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if you can't limp 22 UTG, you should find another game.




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Whats your VSIP????

[bisonbison]

My VPIP for 3/6 has stabilized somewhere between 14-15.

[cockandbull]

i thought so, i was sure that i read your VSIP was somewhere around mine. However i hardley ever limp UTG with less than 77 and am now wondering which hands i'm playing that you arent.

[Vern]

But he stated he had 274 small pairs in EP in 116K hands, if you dumped them and he played them and all the other hands you all played were identical, that would only change the VP$IP by 0.25%.

[bisonbison]

Yeah, I don't think that it's particularly interesting to compare these numbers. I play in different games than anyone one else in the entire world, and I make decisions based on the individual moments of these games.

Nonetheless, I think it's clear that small pairs in EP in the vast majority of decent low limit games are, at worst, EV neutral. There are tilt benefits, table benefits and fun benefits to be had from limping slightly more often in EP, and since 22 is never going to hurt you much UTG, I just can't believe that people won't limp it in the common micro games where it clearly has value.

[kiemo]

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Nonetheless, I think it's clear that small pairs in EP in the vast majority of decent low limit games are, at worst, EV neutral. There are tilt benefits, table benefits and fun benefits to be had from limping slightly more often in EP, and since 22 is never going to hurt you much UTG, I just can't believe that people won't limp it in the common micro games where it clearly has value.

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Ok I will give it to you that these are at worst 0 EV, but after the flop are these always set or fold when faced with aggression then (ignoring straight chances and assuming you are rarely getting the correct odds to chase the set to the turn and river)?

Thats where my problem comes with the advice. Its a persons post flop play that will determine whether these are profitable or not.

[bisonbison]

yes. I mean, unless the pot is huge on the flop, or you flopped a straight draw, how are you going to continue without a set? I just don't see these hands as particularly complex. They're nowhere near as difficult as Axs hands.

[GrunchCan]

Small pairs make more than sets.

This hand was discussed here. (You can see the suites there too)

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Table is sLP-P. Opponents are bad post-flop. Nice juicy table.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 5, 5.
UTG folds, Hero calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 8, K, 8 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: (3 BB) T (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: (3 BB) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 5 BB


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I should have bet the turn, too, probably.

This situation is much harder to play that a flopped set, becasue it is very opponent-, board- and situation-dependant.

[DMBFan23]

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Bison you seem to think Party is the only Poker site when you blindly say always limp


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If you are playing micro-limits and you are folding 22 UTG, either...B) you are practicing lousy table selection.


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