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#31
11-15-2005, 03:08 PM
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Re: A hand Entity and I talked about
When I am playing well, I call the turn with AA and maybe fold the river.
When I am playing bad I 3-bet the turn and call down if capped. As of late I think I've been 3-betting the river too. HELLO DOWNSWING!!! 
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#32
11-15-2005, 03:10 PM
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Re: A hand Entity and I talked about
This is a great discussion and I have little to add to what is already going on, but I will say:
If villain is going to put any money in on this river with any hand, he should probably be check-raising. In other words, game-theoretically, if villain is going to check this river, he needs to be checking with the intent of raising a one-pair hand reasonably often.
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#33
11-15-2005, 03:11 PM
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Re: A hand Entity and I talked about
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When I am playing well, I call the turn with AA and maybe fold the river. When I am playing bad I 3-bet the turn and call down if capped. As of late I think I've been 3-betting the river too. HELLO DOWNSWING!!! [/ QUOTE ] I will never have enough data on a TAG to know that they play perfectly. 16-1 is enough for me to call this river with AA and feel fine about it. In the same vein, 19-1 is enough for me to call the river checkraise with JJ. In fact I wouldn't be able to respect myself if I laid down to a checkraise here, but maybe that's just a personal issue I need to solve. But it certainly wouldn't feel right to surrender this huge pot to a TAG who may or may not be david sklansky.
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#34
11-15-2005, 03:14 PM
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Re: A hand Entity and I talked about
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Did you miss that there is a Q on the board as well? 3-betting this turn with AA is not solid poker. [/ QUOTE ] Didn't miss it but chose to ignore it becasue I felt that the overriding issue had to deal with the ratio or relationship of Villain's hand being AA v KK. Clearly the turn Q puts villain in bigger trouble but it does not change the fact that AA is still a far superior holding on the turn than KK and therefore is significantly more likely to 3 bet the turn. It is still more likely, even if incorrect. I am coming around a bit to seeing the value in a bet but getting 3 bet would suck, really suck.
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#35
11-15-2005, 03:19 PM
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Re: A hand Entity and I talked about
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When I am playing bad I 3-bet the turn and call down if capped. [/ QUOTE ] That's pure spew, IMO. Stop doing that. Use your reads. When a good player gives action on the flop but just calls your 3-bet and raises the turn, you're usually pretty hosed. Edited to add, given the preflop, flop, board, etc... blah blah.
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#36
11-15-2005, 03:19 PM
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Re: A hand Entity and I talked about
That's just the worst river though. Think about the hands he'll play like this, a K is just so ugly in that spot for AA.
In my original post was that I'd have to pay of with JJJ here, and I might do the same with AA, however, I tink there is a time when our read can supercede any pot size and we need to fold when we're beat. The reason against that is just that we don't have a good enough read, but if we did, it's fold city.
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#37
11-15-2005, 03:21 PM
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Re: A hand Entity and I talked about
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it does not change the fact that AA is still a far superior holding on the turn than KK and therefore is significantly more likely to 3 bet the turn. [/ QUOTE ] I guess if Dids is the villain then you have a point. But seriously, only spew monkeys 3-bet the turn with AA here against a fellow TAG. Sorry Dids. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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#38
11-15-2005, 03:22 PM
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Re: A hand Entity and I talked about
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The reason against that is just that we don't have a good enough read, but if we did, it's fold city. [/ QUOTE ] Sure. But a pertinent question might be, "is a good enough read even possible online?"
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#39
11-15-2005, 03:24 PM
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Re: A hand Entity and I talked about
I don't like the preflop cap given the situation. If your read is correct on the SB you aren't gaining anything w/the other two players in the hand. Given the SBs range and the other two with the frequency of overcards on the flop, just call the 3-bet w/JJ.
I like the idea of playing the flop faster and capping. As if he does have an overpair, AA, KK, the TAG will often c/r the turn and you'll get and extra BB. In addition if he's going to slow down w/AK, often he'll just check the turn here and you missed an SB. Given the way you played it; I still bet the damn river. He'll have AA, AK enough to slow down and just call. It's thin but there is value in it. If you checked the river: misplayed on every street. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
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#40
11-15-2005, 03:24 PM
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Re: A hand Entity and I talked about
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[ QUOTE ] The reason against that is just that we don't have a good enough read, but if we did, it's fold city. [/ QUOTE ] Sure. But a pertinent question might be, "is a good enough read even possible online?" [/ QUOTE ] Dude, I make sweet online reads all the time. But then I ignore them and do something dumb anyway. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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