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12-01-2005, 10:50 PM
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Re: This is not as obvious as people seem to think
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If you're so afraid to play against Phil Ivey that you open-fold AA pre-flop, you probably shouldn't be playing in the WSOP in the first place. [/ QUOTE ] You should read all the post before you make incorrect comments. What I said was that if I was in the SB, and Phil Ivey was in the BB, then I would fold everything except AA, in which case I would go all-in. Because I'm so sh!t scared of Phil Ivey. And if that happens, and Phil Ivey has AA in the BB, then he should instantly fold because he would immediately deduce (as he is the greatest) that (i) I'm sh!t scared of getting involved with him (ii) because of (i), he knows that I would fold everything except AA (iii) so because I actually decided to play at all, he KNOWS that I have AA. The fact that I went all in makes perfect sense to him because he KNOWS that I do not want to be be outplayed, so all-in is my only move. So, for the above reasons, he knows that the best thing to do is fold, as the chances of doubling up are equal to the chances of getting knocked out. And he's too good a player to rely on 50/50 type situations. What part of my Raymeresque type explanation do people not understand ? [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] So if Phil ask for a handjob do you give him one? How bout a [censored]? 
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#2
12-02-2005, 07:56 PM
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Re: This is not as obvious as people seem to think
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[ QUOTE ] If you're so afraid to play against Phil Ivey that you open-fold AA pre-flop, you probably shouldn't be playing in the WSOP in the first place. [/ QUOTE ] You should read all the post before you make incorrect comments. What I said was that if I was in the SB, and Phil Ivey was in the BB, then I would fold everything except AA, in which case I would go all-in. Because I'm so sh!t scared of Phil Ivey. And if that happens, and Phil Ivey has AA in the BB, then he should instantly fold because he would immediately deduce (as he is the greatest) that (i) I'm sh!t scared of getting involved with him (ii) because of (i), he knows that I would fold everything except AA (iii) so because I actually decided to play at all, he KNOWS that I have AA. The fact that I went all in makes perfect sense to him because he KNOWS that I do not want to be be outplayed, so all-in is my only move. So, for the above reasons, he knows that the best thing to do is fold, as the chances of doubling up are equal to the chances of getting knocked out. And he's too good a player to rely on 50/50 type situations. [/ QUOTE ] What are you...Phil Ivey's agent or something? One day your sitting there and are like "Hey Phil, I gotta idea that will push your stock to the top!. I will get on a poker message board and imply that if the occasion was perfect and it was the first hand of the World Series of Poker and the SB moved in on you and you were the BB that you might, think about, considering laying it down. Thats gold Phil, gold!"
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11-24-2005, 08:33 PM
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I think that people are answering this too quickly without giving it enough thought. [/ QUOTE ] LMFAO
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11-25-2005, 12:50 PM
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Then I look at my hand – oh no, AA. Disaster ! What do I do ? [/ QUOTE ]
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#7
11-30-2005, 08:41 PM
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Re: This is not as obvious as people seem to think
I definitely don't agree with the post stating that it's an easy fold for Phil (or anyone else). The writer said that the SB would go all-in with A-A to avoid being outplayed by Ivey after the flop. I am confident that if the SB is that fearfull of Phil, he'd be going all-in with medium pairs too. CALL IT !
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#8
12-01-2005, 10:55 PM
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I think that people are answering this too quickly without giving it enough thought. Suppose I am in the SB and Phil Ivey is the BB. Everyone folds to me. Ok, what am I thinking ? Well, firstly I’m sh!t scared of having to get involved in a hand with Phil Ivey. If we get to see a flop, then he’s definitely going to outplay me, and I’m going to lose chips, so the best EV decision for me is to fold. Even if I have KK or QQ, I’m going to fold, cos if I raise and he calls me, I’m in deep trouble after that because he’s got position, and well, because he’s Phil Ivey. Then I look at my hand – oh no, AA. Disaster ! What do I do ? I know, I’ll go all in. That way I cleverly negate his positional advantage. He can’t outplay me because I don’t have to think anymore. So, that’s what I do. All in. Ok, now look at it from Phil Ivey’s position. He has AA and the SB has gone all-in. Because he’s Phil Ivey, he reads the SB like an open book, and immediately draws the conclusion that the SB has AA too. So if Phil calls all-in, then 95.65% of the time, the pot is split. But 2.17% of the time Phil wins, and 2.17% of the time Phil loses. So Phil says to himself, “why take the chance of doubling up when there’s an equal chance of me being knocked out ? I’ll get lots of better opportunities later. So, I fold.” Result : Instant fold. [/ QUOTE ] RacingSilver What rock did u crawl out from under?
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#9
12-02-2005, 08:35 PM
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Re: This is not as obvious as people seem to think
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I think that people are answering this too quickly without giving it enough thought. Suppose I am in the SB and Phil Ivey is the BB. Everyone folds to me. Ok, what am I thinking ? Well, firstly I’m sh!t scared of having to get involved in a hand with Phil Ivey. If we get to see a flop, then he’s definitely going to outplay me, and I’m going to lose chips, so the best EV decision for me is to fold. Even if I have KK or QQ, I’m going to fold, cos if I raise and he calls me, I’m in deep trouble after that because he’s got position, and well, because he’s Phil Ivey. Then I look at my hand – oh no, AA. Disaster ! What do I do ? I know, I’ll go all in. That way I cleverly negate his positional advantage. He can’t outplay me because I don’t have to think anymore. So, that’s what I do. All in. Ok, now look at it from Phil Ivey’s position. He has AA and the SB has gone all-in. Because he’s Phil Ivey, he reads the SB like an open book, and immediately draws the conclusion that the SB has AA too. So if Phil calls all-in, then 95.65% of the time, the pot is split. But 2.17% of the time Phil wins, and 2.17% of the time Phil loses. So Phil says to himself, “why take the chance of doubling up when there’s an equal chance of me being knocked out ? I’ll get lots of better opportunities later. So, I fold.” Result : Instant fold. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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