Another "You make the call" post

[BigBaitsim (milo)]

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The floor overrode "mucked is mucked" and returned the players hand to him, sight unseen.

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Yeah, unfortunately I see this at Canterbury way too often. I was in a 100+10 tourney once down to 13 (we are 7 handed) players from 120. UTG (UTG+1's mom, no joke) mucks, UTG +1 asks mom what to do and flashes her his cards. She says raise (limit tourney, but this represents about 3/4 of his stack). Folded to the BB who calls and loses to 22 in a showdown. Bystander goes nuts. Floor chooses not to intervene, not really giving a reason why (although I assume because the hand was done). BB is knocked out and hovers over the table complaining. Mom and son go on to finish in the money.

HF

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This time I gotta agree with the guy going nuts. One player to a hand is a pretty good rule. That having been said, I don't mind it much when I see it at my table when people show bystanders their cards. More info gained that way.

[BigBaitsim (milo)]

The dealer himself admitted the mistake was his. He told the player to protect his cards to prevent such a mistake, but owned the mistake as his. I was impressed by this.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

Purely Devil's advocate here Rick... This kind of thing really interests me.............

When a dealer is asked "I want to see those cards" for a discarded face down called hand, the dealer touches them to the muck, thus killing them, then shows them. Thus they have "touched the muck" and are therefore dead.

??? how can you reconcile these apparent discrepencies ???

al

[Randy_Refeld]

When the dealer is touching them to the muck he is showing everyone they are dead. If he forgets to touch them to the muck and turns them up they are still dead. As a side note if the apparent winner asks to see the hand it is typically a live hand (even if the dealer forgets and touches it to the muck).

Randy Refeld