Preflop confusion

[bicyclekick]

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"One player said calling was definitely an option. Another player said calling sucked bad. Both players beat every game under the sun."

This does not surprise me. The conclusion to draw isn't that calling gets the same value as raising. It's that calling followed by playing good gets the same value as raising followed by playing good.

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I disagree with you. I think it more shows that playing this spot isn't definetive in what makes a good player a good player in that the EV's are close enough and the situation doesn't come up enough for it to greatly impact ones winrate.

[DcifrThs]

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"One player said calling was definitely an option. Another player said calling sucked bad. Both players beat every game under the sun."

This does not surprise me. The conclusion to draw isn't that calling gets the same value as raising. It's that calling followed by playing good gets the same value as raising followed by playing good.

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I disagree with you. I think it more shows that playing this spot isn't definetive in what makes a good player a good player in that the EV's are close enough and the situation doesn't come up enough for it to greatly impact ones winrate.

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[PassiveCaller]

I had a response typed up vehemetly disagreeing with the fact that calling w/good play would be the same as raising w/good play. But after writing and writing it just didn't seem to matter that much.

Poker isn't played in a vacuum, there's a hand, and a hand after... And a perfectly playing robot isn't playing the hand....

Perhaps seemingly ancilliary reasons are more important here then whether you call or raise.

If anything Tommy you're proof that a good/great winning player doesn't have to raise here but that doesn't mean that the values are equal. If there's anything to learn it's situations like these don't make winners, maybe if you're already at a state of greatness you could analyze these to death and find the most optimal play because there always is one. There'll be some difference it'll change your variance it'll be better or worse in some situations... Your decision here probably won't make you a winner or even effect your winrate that much.

No, no it won't. It's something else, something else it's time for me to focus on because it's the most important thing in poker and my results show it.