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[ErrantNight]

i think most of you are crazy. most surprising responses were those of btspider and entity...

hand 1: raise. unknowns are typically huge fans of cold-calling, and the CO is out. i've got a reasonable chance to buy the button, and if i don't, i'm up against a bunch of loose players that will be easy to play against after the flop. i can get out easily, i can bet/raise for value easily, they'll call me too much and pay me off... a limp would be fine if the CO were unknown or also loose, because there would STILL be a good chance that i'm getting my multi-way pot even open limping from so late in the game.

edited to add: a limp may still be fine, regardless. i may be overestimating by ability to buy position from MP2. i still think i prefer a raise.

hand 2: raise it up. closer than some, if only because the potential of postflop being tricky is greater than in most of these scenarios. but ATo is +ev against the range of hands these fish will play, and raising will make it the rest of the hand easier to play

hand 3: limp. you have position, but not enough preflop equity to push a raise.

hand 4: raise. you've got a calling station trapped between yourself and a lag, who you can outplay, there's a decent chance you'll get this threeway, or fourway with two terrible players, folding is too weak against this field, and you want position.

hand 4 edited to remove: easy. upon reflection, having this more multiway wouldn't be terrible, and i don't have much showdown value against a calling station. limping might be preferable.

hand 5: limp. you're getting at least four-way action with decent position, and a 5th player isn't a stretch once there's three limpers heading into the button. your hand plays well multi-way, but raising is too strong for this holding, particularly since you need strong implied odds to make this playable.

hand 6: raise sometimes, fold sometimes, call never. there are better spots to play back at a bully, and if the uber-loose sb comes along the good player will come along with a huge range of holdings. so all depends on the bully. if he's the kinda bully to push back until beaten and sometimes 3-bet, fold. if he'll let you buy the button, raise. if you're unsure, flip a coin. if you're still a serious newb, fold, postflop could be tricky, and KTo is an easily dominated hand that's easy to blow money on.

hand 7: call. you're getting 1:5. both are too loose. the hand is easy to get away from postflop. i don't mind folding here, fwiw.

hand 8: totally table dependent. but my default is raise. i'd say 80/20 in favor of a raise. maybe more. i'm having trouble thinking of table conditions where i'd rather call. perhaps with a maniac and at least one solid player on a generally loose table where my raise will accomplish nothing and the solid player will have better position to take advantage of the pot i'm building.

[Entity]

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can i just point out that the correct answers involve a helluva lot more raising, and a helluva lot less limping and folding?

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I think you're raising far too many of these far too often. I hate blind stealing from MP2 with 9-high with a LAG trapped in between who has position on you and two loose opponents. Your hand is going to have to showdown too often to like a raise here.

I feel the same way about raising with J8s against a calling station. If he were more likely to fold because of your raise, I can dig it. But not with that lineup.

[Shillx]

1 - Fold.
2 - Raise.
3 - Call.
4 - Call.
5 - Call.
6 - Raise or fold. Certainly not calling here.
7 - Fold.
8 - Raise 99% and never call. I would fold it at a tough table.

Brad

[btspider]

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hand 8: similar to 99.. varies by image and table.. say 50/50 or 67/33 for raise fold. at 1/2+ i'm more inclined to raise than at .50/1.00.

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egregious typo.. raise/fold should be raise/limp obviously at the micro limits.

[Shillx]

I never raise KJs UTG.

It would be interesting to see what is better (limping or rasing).

[ErrantNight]

i wrote up a reasonably lengthy response justifying both raises... but ultimately came to the conclusion that i'm not as sold on raising as I first thought I was... not enough to think raising couldn't be correct, but not enough to dismiss limping.

[ErrantNight]

either this or whether or not to raise KQs UTG was discussed at length back in the day.

the summary conclusion: it really doesn't matter much.

[Emmitt2222]

Ent, what are your reasons for varying your play at the micros where it is most likely that no one is paying any attention to what you are doing? I would think that picking the most +EV play and going with it each and every time would be the best plan of action unless I am at a slightly more observant table where I need to vary a bit more. your thoughts?

[Entity]

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Ent, what are your reasons for varying your play at the micros where it is most likely that no one is paying any attention to what you are doing? I would think that picking the most +EV play and going with it each and every time would be the best plan of action unless I am at a slightly more observant table where I need to vary a bit more. your thoughts?

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Emmitt,

Say I've raised 8 of the last 10 hands. I'm much less likely to raise KTo in #6 then, because I'm much more likely to get played back at. Even unobservant opponents notice things.

Also, since concrete reads weren't provided ("solid player limps, bad player limps, you have 97s"), I have to say that there are some solid/bad combos where I'd fold but most I'd limp. It's not mixing up my play as much as it is saying that there are some game conditions where I'd fold and some where I'd limp/raise.

Rob

[mmbt0ne]

Hand 1: 18 folds/4 limps/5 raises
Hand 2: 8 folds/3 limps/16 raises
Hand 3: 3 folds/23 limps/1 raise
Hand 4: 12 folds/13 limps/2 raise
Hand 5: 13 folds/13 limps/1 Not Sure (BOOOOOOOO)
Hand 6: 6 folds/6 limps/15 raises
Hand 7: 22 folds/5 calls
Hand 8: Everything from never raise KJs UTG, to always raise KJs UTG with more raising it seems than calling. Thankfully there's no folding involved.

I did the following:

Hand 1

MP3 - Unknown
CO - Too tight, aggressive
BUtton - LA-P
Blinds - Unknown, seem loose-passive

Folded to you in MP2 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I RAISED (Doesn't seem too popular, but I don't mind it)


Hand 2

2 LAGs and some fish and a solid playe round out the action behind you

Folded to you in MP1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

I FOLDED (Probably weak. I raise this from MP2 most of the time, and almost automatically from MP3)


Hand 3

58/6.5 limps UTG, as do a LP fish, a LAG, and a semi-loose calling station

You have Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] on the button.

I FOLDED (Very weak. I should've limped, this one bothered me the most.)


Hand 4

Same LAG, and calling station from previous hand limp to you in the CO. The blinds are a tight player, and a moran.

You have J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I FOLDED


Hand 5

Decent player and 69/3 Fishlimp in EP, the same blinds are behind you as in hand 4.

You're in the CO again with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] this time.

I CALLED (Why I folded J8s, but called 97s, I don't know.)


Hand 6

Super Loose EP, is joined by his LP twin. Button has been bullying you a little, and the SB and BB are a little loose and a good player respectively.

CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

I FOLDED (This is me the weak-tighty. Hello)


Hand 7

A 36/9 with seemingly no deep understanding of position open-raises in MP1. Cold-called by a horribly loose player in the SB.

You have 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in the BB

I FOLDED (Glad this was so clear cut. I hated the flop [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] )


Hand 8

UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] This is more of a breakdown than a play. How often do you raise, how often do you call. Don't fold.

I CALLED (Probably the first time I've ever limped KJs UTG. It was a weird feeling.)