Pocket Jacks in SB facing a 3 bet. Call or fold?

[tyler_cracker]

No one has yet mentioned just calling to see if the original PFR caps or just calls. I like that the best.

Without a solid read, i'm never folding here.

[sean c]

I have never played .5/1 so take this fwiw but this is a pretty read based decision but its between capping and calling without a read. All this fold your dominated or this can't be played profitably is wrong IMO. We have one of the best starting hands and great relative position on the pre flop 3-bettor. If the flop is bad for us we should be able to get away from this pot pretty easily. If we get a good flop there is a strong chance we will have the best hand. Then there is the rare times we are dominated and lose some chips it happens. If you want to fold this because you just sat down and don't want get into a marginal situation until you have a better read on the players at he table fine but this "your dominated and can't play this profitably" is nonsense.

[TheMainEvent]

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I have never played .5/1 so take this fwiw but this is a pretty read based decision but its between capping and calling without a read. All this fold your dominated or this can't be played profitably is wrong IMO. We have one of the best starting hands and great relative position on the pre flop 3-bettor. If the flop is bad for us we should be able to get away from this pot pretty easily. If we get a good flop there is a strong chance we will have the best hand. Then there is the rare times we are dominated and lose some chips it happens. If you want to fold this because you just sat down and don't want get into a marginal situation until you have a better read on the players at he table fine but this "your dominated and can't play this profitably" is nonsense.

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I would compare online .5/1 to a live 2/4 or 3/6 game. Most of the players have the mentality of not putting in much money preflop with hands that they might not be able to see a river with, which explains cold calling rather than 3-betting with hands like AKo and JJ. You might just be up against 2 more aggro than typical players here, but even then your equity probably isn't huge.

[sean c]

Hi mainevent did you clean up after i left last night?

To the hand in question marginal yes unprofitable though i will not agree with. Like i said a read would really help.

[TheMainEvent]

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Hi mainevent did you clean up after i left last night?

To the hand in question marginal yes unprofitable though i will not agree with. Like i said a read would really help.

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I'm gonna change my answer on this one. I think I would fold if I had seen the guy go even 1 orbit without doing anything out of line. If it's really my very first hand at the table and I have no reads of any kind I'll play.

Who were you? You can PM if you don't want to say on here. I ended up with a $0.25 profit, which is awesome for a 2+2 game.

[DMBFan23]

maybe you dont want to cap but there is NO way you can fold.

too many WPT fanbois see people pushing all in with A8, and they want to 3 bet with it PF in limit games now.

[einbert]

It's not a terribly easy cap.

I like coldcalling here, honestly.

I think folding would probably be a mistake, though not by very much.

[car ramrod]

I may raise, I may call, depends on how teh table has been playing, or if I have any reads.

I'm not folding pf.

[MN_Mime]

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Hero is SB and has JJ

Mid position player raises, Button reraises, Hero ????????

This is .5/1 Full Ring. NO reads as I just sat down one hand ago

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The best question is to ask yourself, "Why do I want to play this hand?" If you don't think you can make money on this hand, then you should dump it and pick another spot.

I couldn't. I don't know if these guys are legit, 80% VPIP nutjobs, or warring with one another.

My initial response was to cold-call and see what BB and PFR do. I think you're ahead a significant amount of the time against an average micro-limits table, there's dead money to be had, and you're getting a slight discount to see a flop and draw to your set, 4-straight, 4-flush.

It's a difficult hand to play OOP. If you see any overcards, you don't know which ones sink you. If you've an overpair to the board, you *might* still be behind. And there's a good chance you'll see position aggression behind you.

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Without a read, what range of hands are YOU willing to play against a raise and a reraise? How about at a discount (blinds, posting)?