***The OFFICIAL Last Week of the Baseball Season Thread (AL)***

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with a 200m payroll

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If you were an A's fan, this would be an appropriate comeback. As it is with your team spending significantly more than any non-Yankee team, it's just ridiculous.

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No, its not.

I have posted numerous times about how the Yankees payroll is ENORMOUSLY out of whack with the rest of baseball, with the Red Sox just being at the top of the rest, yet not that far away from other large market teams.

I love how Yankee fans (not you obv) whine when people bring up payroll, yet its and enormous factor in how a team performs.

The Yankees payroll in relation to the rest of baseball is like entering Carl Lewis in the special Olympics and lavshing him with praise when he beats Corky out in the final leg of the 400m.

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The Boston payroll is a whopping 20% higher than the next highest team. That's not "just being at the top". It's also an enormous gap. If the Yankees didn't exist, people would be talking about how absurd the Boston payroll is. Don't kid yourself. For all practical purposes, what New York is to Boston, Boston is to everyone else in terms of payroll.

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When you consider the NYY have a payroll of 60% more than the next team that has a 20% edgde over the 3rd team you see why i consider it silly the NYY and red sox are lumped together when discussing payrolls. Also, the fact that the Red Sox are in the same division as the Yankees FORCES the red sox to spend more than any other team.

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The last sentence has nothing to do with the price of tea in China.

As I said before, the gap between the Yankees and Boston has nothing to do with the fact that the Boston vs Anyone Else gap is also completely absurd. Meaning it's also absurd for Boston fans to keep throwing out the payroll issue at Yankee fans.

Look, you are both the same. You have become what you hate. That's ok, but just don't act holier than thou when you've already sold your soul. And note I don't blame Boston for spending money, I wish my team had that kind of cash. But I do think it's ridiculous for Boston fans to take shots at the Yankees when their team operates with the same absurd advantage.

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how is 60% the same as 20%?

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As I said before, the gap between the Yankees and Boston has nothing to do with the fact that the Boston vs Anyone Else gap is also completely absurd. Meaning it's also absurd for Boston fans to keep throwing out the payroll issue at Yankee fans.

Look, you are both the same. You have become what you hate. That's ok, but just don't act holier than thou when you've already sold your soul. And note I don't blame Boston for spending money, I wish my team had that kind of cash. But I do think it's ridiculous for Boston fans to take shots at the Yankees when their team operates with the same absurd advantage.

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i just wanted to requote this.

it looks cool.

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when it comes down to it, the yankees, while having a huge payroll, are playing by the rules of baseball. there is no salary cap, no official rule is being violated.

i don't see why other fans keep complaining about the yankee payroll, when owners of other teams are as filthy rich as steinbrenner and don't spend any money on their team. blame the other owners for not being competitive enough in going after big market players. it's like companies complaining that another is doing better because it's putting money into enhancing its performance.

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with a 200m payroll

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If you were an A's fan, this would be an appropriate comeback. As it is with your team spending significantly more than any non-Yankee team, it's just ridiculous.

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No, its not.

I have posted numerous times about how the Yankees payroll is ENORMOUSLY out of whack with the rest of baseball, with the Red Sox just being at the top of the rest, yet not that far away from other large market teams.

I love how Yankee fans (not you obv) whine when people bring up payroll, yet its and enormous factor in how a team performs.

The Yankees payroll in relation to the rest of baseball is like entering Carl Lewis in the special Olympics and lavshing him with praise when he beats Corky out in the final leg of the 400m.

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The Boston payroll is a whopping 20% higher than the next highest team. That's not "just being at the top". It's also an enormous gap. If the Yankees didn't exist, people would be talking about how absurd the Boston payroll is. Don't kid yourself. For all practical purposes, what New York is to Boston, Boston is to everyone else in terms of payroll.

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When you consider the NYY have a payroll of 60% more than the next team that has a 20% edgde over the 3rd team you see why i consider it silly the NYY and red sox are lumped together when discussing payrolls. Also, the fact that the Red Sox are in the same division as the Yankees FORCES the red sox to spend more than any other team.

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The last sentence has nothing to do with the price of tea in China.

As I said before, the gap between the Yankees and Boston has nothing to do with the fact that the Boston vs Anyone Else gap is also completely absurd. Meaning it's also absurd for Boston fans to keep throwing out the payroll issue at Yankee fans.

Look, you are both the same. You have become what you hate. That's ok, but just don't act holier than thou when you've already sold your soul. And note I don't blame Boston for spending money, I wish my team had that kind of cash. But I do think it's ridiculous for Boston fans to take shots at the Yankees when their team operates with the same absurd advantage.

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Cmon now. If the Yankees didn't exist, it wouldn't be even close to the same. The Yanks payroll is double the 3rd highest team in the majors. It is triple the typical payroll. Boston doesn't even come close to matching these numbers.

And unlike NY, they have actually been cutting down their payroll recently.

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And unlike NY, they have actually been cutting down their payroll recently.

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Is there any particular reason why? I really don't see what is keeping other teams from spending more money to get better rosters.

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when it comes down to it, the yankees, while having a huge payroll, are playing by the rules of baseball. there is no salary cap, no official rule is being violated.

i don't see why other fans keep complaining about the yankee payroll, when owners of other teams are as filthy rich as steinbrenner and don't spend any money on their team. blame the other owners for not being competitive enough in going after big market players. it's like companies complaining that another is doing better because it's putting money into enhancing its performance.

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I'm not complaining about it. I do think the Yankees should be doing better with their payroll, though.

George wants to put a winning team onto the field, and that's fine. It's his money.

If the A's owners weren't so frugal (they CAN afford to pay much more than they do), they could easily be a dynasty. They choose to treat their team as a business, while the Yanks choose to do whatever it takes to win.

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with a 200m payroll

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If you were an A's fan, this would be an appropriate comeback. As it is with your team spending significantly more than any non-Yankee team, it's just ridiculous.

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No, its not.

I have posted numerous times about how the Yankees payroll is ENORMOUSLY out of whack with the rest of baseball, with the Red Sox just being at the top of the rest, yet not that far away from other large market teams.

I love how Yankee fans (not you obv) whine when people bring up payroll, yet its and enormous factor in how a team performs.

The Yankees payroll in relation to the rest of baseball is like entering Carl Lewis in the special Olympics and lavshing him with praise when he beats Corky out in the final leg of the 400m.

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i complain that people bring up payroll when they dont look at where the money is spent. brown, pavano, wright, bernie, theres more, but you get the idea. they are wasting a ton of cash. if they had the same exact team, but were paying them 400 million, would that make them better? would it be more of a travesty? spending 200mil doesnt mean they are buying anything, in this case it just means they are wasting a lot of money.

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Also, the fact that the Red Sox are in the same division as the Yankees FORCES the red sox to spend more than any other team.

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how does it force them to do anything?

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Also, the fact that the Red Sox are in the same division as the Yankees FORCES the red sox to spend more than any other team.

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how does it force them to do anything?

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It doesn't. He is just being a stupid Red Sox fan as always.

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the yankees havent won the WS since 2000. there has been a different winner of the WS for the last 5 years. is baseball really suffering from a competitive imbalance right now, especially considering how mediocre the yankees have been this year? everyone is busy talking about how much they suck this year, you cant have it both ways.

during the 96-00 dynasty the yankees payroll was not very out of line at all. their opening day 2000 payroll was in ninety something million.

1. i fail to see how the yankees payroll is ruining the game. baseball is doing great, and the yankees play a big part in that.

2. baseball has no salary cap. the yankees are breaking no rules, and if anything steinbrenner is doing everything he can to help his team while there are other owners who buy major league teams but decline to spend as much as other teams. its not like these other teams are going broke and the owners are losing money. also, the ny/tri state/global market for the yankees gives them huge merchandising cash.

3. its more than a little funny when the red sox fans complain about the yankees payroll.

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when it comes down to it, the yankees, while having a huge payroll, are playing by the rules of baseball. there is no salary cap, no official rule is being violated.

i don't see why other fans keep complaining about the yankee payroll, when owners of other teams are as filthy rich as steinbrenner and don't spend any money on their team. blame the other owners for not being competitive enough in going after big market players. it's like companies complaining that another is doing better because it's putting money into enhancing its performance.

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I'm not complaining about it. I do think the Yankees should be doing better with their payroll, though.

George wants to put a winning team onto the field, and that's fine. It's his money.

If the A's owners weren't so frugal (they CAN afford to pay much more than they do), they could easily be a dynasty. They choose to treat their team as a business, while the Yanks choose to do whatever it takes to win.

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ironically enough however, winning brings in the cash for the yankees, which probably has been pretty successful business wise over the past few years.

should they really be doing that much better? in baseball, a slight edge in talent brings in a lot of money. a 20 million dollar player doesn't bring in 4 times as many HR, AVG, OPS, RBI as a 5 million dollar player, or not even 2 times. there are HUGE decreasing returns to scale, so a 200m payroll doesn't equate to guaranteed success.

not only that but a lot of the millions are being spent on sunk costs, such as overblown contracts, injuries, etc. while i do agree that the yankees spend a lot on players and should be winning more, i think that sometimes the yankees spend money too recklessly, just because they can. they don't care how much they spend (which can lead to free agents jacking up their price for the yankees), or how many players they spend it on, (which can lead to unnecessary or faulty signings) for a team like the a's, where every money decision counts, they can't afford to be inefficient with their funds.

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Yeah, that actually worked out pretty well. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]