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#**291** 10-23-2005, 04:00 AM

It occured to me after I posted that they might be better suited in threads of their own so feel free.

curtains · #**292** 10-23-2005, 05:54 AM

Hmm they are tough....The opponent keeps bettnig small. This is good for us in those situations where we have a calling hand preflop, but it's bad in those spots where we have a pushing hand like A8o, because we are risking everything for a smaller pot, and probably they will call at the same frequency.

In any case I'd still raise with A8o...the hand is just too good for me to flat call headsup when the pot represents close to 20% of my stack. Arguments can be made for playing it differently, but it's very hard to say that moving allin is just bad.

A lot depends on how often they are raising preflop...if its almost never headsup, then moving allin is a lot more dangerous, because a large % of hands that they could have that fall at the bottom of the spectrum, are no longer likely because the opponent would not have necessarily raised with them.

#**293** 10-23-2005, 05:56 AM

HU only lasted a few hands and from what I remember this guy wasn't very aggressive after he lost the chip lead to ZJ when it was 4 or 5 handed. He just suddenly got passive whereas before he was openraising tons of pots.

edit, HU lasted 6 hands.

KaneKungFu123 · #**294** 10-23-2005, 08:43 AM

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I'm not going to analyze specific hands right now, but to the people that are saying I was impatient heads up, just realize there were 100 other times you would have said that about me during the tournament if you could have seen my cards.

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I don't understand this statement.

partygirluk · #**295** 10-23-2005, 08:45 AM

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I'm not going to analyze specific hands right now, but to the people that are saying I was impatient heads up, just realize there were 100 other times you would have said that about me during the tournament if you could have seen my cards.

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I don't understand this statement.

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He is saying that at many points during the tournaments he made LAG plays that many 2p2ers would disagree with, yet was successful, and that just because his HU LAG moves didn't work does not mean they were necessarily bad.

KaneKungFu123 · #**296** 10-23-2005, 09:02 AM

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I'm not going to analyze specific hands right now, but to the people that are saying I was impatient heads up, just realize there were 100 other times you would have said that about me during the tournament if you could have seen my cards.

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I don't understand this statement.

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He is saying that at many points during the tournaments he made LAG plays that many 2p2ers would disagree with, yet was successful, and that just because his HU LAG moves didn't work does not mean they were necessarily bad.

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Ok, thanks. I still don't like either of those hands, though.

KaneKungFu123 · #**297** 10-23-2005, 09:06 AM

do tournament players consider the interest they would earn if they make a deal at the end? they should.

Simplistic · #**298** 10-23-2005, 01:34 PM

uh interest?

curtains · #**299** 10-23-2005, 05:12 PM

btw also the Open end straight draw hand is obviously reasonably played. There is 200k in the pot and the opponent has about 600k left. There is almost surely great folding equity and you shuold win about 1/3rd of the time when you are called. This is a pretty routine type of play, and I find it amusing and results oriented that everyone acts like its bad.

Oh wait, Im sorry the opponent played passively with 5 players left? Well obviously this will continue when its headsup and he has like 11x the BB. I mean cmon get serious here. You can't win headsup matches with high blinds by chipping away and avoiding big confrontations at all costs, unless the opponent is extremely bad and passive. I would never generalize such based on 4-5 handed play.

Ulysses · #**300** 10-23-2005, 06:21 PM

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This is a pretty routine type of play, and I find it amusing and results oriented that everyone acts like its bad.

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You can't win headsup matches with high blinds by chipping away and avoiding big confrontations at all costs, unless the opponent is extremely bad and passive.

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I find it amusing that you are making such comments not having watched the match. I was watching this and chatting with another 2+2er at the time. When 3-handed with opponent having a huge stack, there were many times when ZJ made a small open-raise. On the 220k flop opponent checks, I type into chat box "Watch, ZJ 150, dude folds" and ZJ would bet 150, guy would check-fold. As the stacks got bigger and money jumps got bigger, this guy got worse and more passive. It was pretty obvious to any outside observer imo.