Play from the blinds: T7o - Page 3

runner4life7 · #21 12-05-2005, 06:03 AM

a lot of times im getting 75 out of this. I swear someone posted how much like 15 or 50 chips extra starting with changes. +ev is +ev. I dont like the idea of its just 45 chips you dont need them. I would do this with 32o

tigerite · #22 12-05-2005, 06:06 AM

Oh, dear.

Well keep doing it with 32o then - it's wrong.

runner4life7 · #23 12-05-2005, 06:08 AM

its wrong if the players arent retarded and know they have 3:1 odds, so if its a player i know is smart, which is rare i dont do it. But i think ive done this over 100 times and had amazing success with any 2. I do it with AK the same way.

splashpot · #24 12-05-2005, 06:09 AM

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a lot of times im getting 75 out of this. I swear someone posted how much like 15 or 50 chips extra starting with changes. +ev is +ev. I dont like the idea of its just 45 chips you dont need them. I would do this with 32o

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I'm almost sure your line is -EV. -EV is -EV.

tigerite · #25 12-05-2005, 06:10 AM

Sigh.. you're not listening are you?

Risk/reward mean anything? I bet you it's -$EV overall to do this.

splashpot · #26 12-05-2005, 06:11 AM

Wait. So if it's folded to you in SB level 2, you min-raise pretty much every time?? I'm 100% sure this is a leak.

tigerite · #27 12-05-2005, 06:12 AM

Forget it splash, he thinks he's found the answer to all SNG play and won't listen when he's told something is a leak or -$EV, he just will keep doing it anyway.

His money, his choice.

runner4life7 · #28 12-05-2005, 06:14 AM

im trying to listen i really am, but with regards to risk/reward thats the reason i minraise and not 90. So i put out 45 to win 45 lets so they fold 20% of the time, which i wouldnt be surprised if its higher. So 20% of the time i gain 45 chips. Then on the flop i bet 65 and they fold 80% of the time, which i swear they do it seems. Then 64% of the time I gain 75 chips. The other 16% of the time I will lose 110. Which is expected value 39.4 chips if I did that right I think. So there is room for me to be off. Of course this assumes that I am done if called on the flop, but also doesnt factor in when i have a hand on the flop. Also, I neglected reraises PF as they are rare and I dont lose much because its an easy fold.

runner4life7 · #29 12-05-2005, 06:15 AM

have you tried it? I'm sure when people were first told to push 32o in the sb with 7BBs they were like that must be -EV.

I'm not saying mine is right, because its quite possible im way off, but from my experience it seems right, that is all.

bigt439 · #30 12-05-2005, 06:25 AM

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I would do this with 32o

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i think ive done this over 100 times

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This experiment can't have been going on very long then. I just don't get this play. Hey, maybe you're right, but I would bet a good portion of my bankroll that min raising with 32o there is not a winner. There just seem to be too many reasons to get into why this is so, but it also just seems so blatantly obvious that I don't feel like I really need to get into this anyways. I'm not trying to flame you or anything. Hey, you have an idea and you're bringing it to the forum. Sweet. I just don't think it's a good one.