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Re: Home tourney ruling needed
Well, I suppose the arguement is...call is the "default" play when there has been a bet. You shouldn't have to indicate you are calling...you are always calling unless you indicate otherwise by adding more chips or by saying you are raising...I dunno heh
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Re: Home tourney ruling needed
A single oversized chip thrown in the pot = a call, unless there has been no bets. Then it is considered as a bet.
If he says raise before the chip is thown in the pot, or while the chip is still in the hand, then the chip is considered a raise. unless the chip is under 50% of the minimum raise, then the player has to raise the minimum. This rule can serve some purposes. If you want to call, you dont have to state that you are calling, or that you have to get some pocketchange from the dealer. You can just throw the chip in. I guess the rule serves more purposes in a casino game than in a home game, and can easily be removed. You also have to say what you are doing, because the player that has to act after you can give you some information if you don't state your raise. Example: blinds is 25/50, UTG throws in a 100 chip without saying anything. Then UTG+1 quickly says all-in. This situation can only be there if there is any confusion around the rules, but still... |
#23
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Re: Home tourney ruling needed
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[ QUOTE ] According to long standing rules, one chip preflop without a declaration is a call. [/ QUOTE ] End of discussion right there. The rules were set before the game started and that's all there is to it. The fact that it is a stupid rule is irrelevant. [/ QUOTE ] This is always the rule everywhere I have ever played. One chip thrown out is always a call. You should pay attention to other's bets so that you don't have the problem you experienced. |
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Re: Home tourney ruling needed
The commonly accepted rules are very clear in this case. In a limit game, an oversized chip with no verbal declaration is always a call. In a No Limit game, an oversized chip with no verbal declaration is a CALL preflop, and a RAISE postflop. Since he tossed the chip in and initially said nothing, it was a call. His declaration of "raise" after the fact is a string raise.
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Re: Home tourney ruling needed
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In a No Limit game, an oversized chip with no verbal declaration is a CALL preflop, and a RAISE postflop. [/ QUOTE ] Its not a raise postflop. Its a call, unless there has been no bet then it is a bet (but then again it isn't really oversized if there has been no bet). |
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Re: Home tourney ruling needed
Ruling was correct, but the host should have spoken up before your "reraise" I might rule that you could change the amount of your raise, but that wouldn't have stopped him from folding.
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