T9o behind 2 bad limpers, poll

[Danenania]

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It's a fold. Being a better player than your opponents only goes so far. There are inherent deficiencies with T9o that great post-flop play can't make up for: succeptibility to domination and a small chance of making a big hand. But don't take my word for it:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showth...rue#Post1774818

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This is persuasive but I'm not sure "two loose MP limpers" fully captures the situation here. We are talking a 50 vpip HJ open limper and a 70+ vpip CO overlimper, and a donk SB who are all highly likely to spew postflop. Also fwiw, I think T9o is defintely stronger than J9o in this spot by a bit.

[Victor]

just to make it plainly obvious.


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5) Two loose players in MP limp and you have 7 5 on the Button. The blinds are fairly loose. Call, fold or raise?


Fold.

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Same scenario as above except your hand is J 9 . Call, fold or raise?



Huge fold.

[DMBFan23]

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I voted fold cause that's what I would have done before reading, but I'll definitely reevaluate now.

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What in this thread has made you reevaluate your play? All I've seen are a bunch of posters saying "this is an easy raise". Can someone please give me some reasons behind your logic?

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when Dane and flawless agree on something, it makes me re-evaluate my thinking if it's different. I don't know if I will start limping it (I'm running like [censored] so I dont think I can play it for profit) but I certainly have to think about things.

[Victor]

read vkh's post please.

[Danenania]

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It's a fold. Being a better player than your opponents only goes so far. There are inherent deficiencies with T9o that great post-flop play can't make up for: succeptibility to domination and a small chance of making a big hand. But don't take my word for it:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showth...rue#Post1774818

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This is persuasive but I'm not sure "two loose MP limpers" fully captures the situation here. We are talking a 50 vpip HJ open limper and a 70+ vpip CO overlimper, and a donk SB who are all highly likely to spew postflop. Also fwiw, I think T9o is defintely stronger than J9o in this spot by a bit.

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Also I get the impression from that post that Nikla was answering more for the higher limit 30/60 and 50/100 games that he played in. Obviously very different than 10/20.

[ddubois]

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If you don't limp this, you must have pfr ~= vpip.

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Are you saying that out of the thousands of limping opportunities, this is the ONLY ONE you would choose to make your VPIP higher than your PFR??

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That is so far from what I said, I'm not even sure which logical fallacy you have made.

You have to quote the rest of what I said in order for it to make sense.

Someone's PFR won't even be close to their VPIP just because they don't limp with this hand or other hands like it.

[Lmn55d]

I'd much rather have J9o

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It's a fold. Being a better player than your opponents only goes so far. There are inherent deficiencies with T9o that great post-flop play can't make up for: succeptibility to domination and a small chance of making a big hand. But don't take my word for it:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showth...rue#Post1774818

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This is persuasive but I'm not sure "two loose MP limpers" fully captures the situation here. We are talking a 50 vpip HJ open limper and a 70+ vpip CO overlimper, and a donk SB who are all highly likely to spew postflop. Also fwiw, I think T9o is defintely stronger than J9o in this spot by a bit.

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Also I get the impression from that post that Nikla was answering more for the higher limit 30/60 and 50/100 games that he played in. Obviously very different than 10/20.

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Why is it obviously different? I thought we had a decent grasp on the players from their statistics. It's not like players with those stats will play a whole different range of hands, or suddenly become postflop wizards when they're playing something other than 10/20.

Edit: FWIW, Nikla was responding to a series of questions, in quiz form, provided by Nate tha' Great in response to this question from another poster:

"Alright, let's say you're talking to me here.

Say I'm showing 13.5 VPIP/ 8.5 PFR at low-limit full (2/4, 3/6).

What hands do you advocate adding?"

[Danenania]

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I'd much rather have J9o

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How come? Equities of the two are identical and T9o has more straight power, which is much more profitable multiway than slightly better high card power.