a loopy logy little hand

[Peter_rus]

I had never answered your posts cause they're all from live play that i don't play much and so i can't make good choices too often there. But i can't sigh for now.

My opinion is - your line is terrible here regardless known range of opponents who play TH, regardless meta-game purposes, and regardless differences between live or online play.

Bet the [censored] flop.

In online play i would routinely 3-bet this flop and if capped - quite probably c/r non A turn if 1 of them folded to a bet on turn. If no one folds flop or i face 2 bets to call cold i consider occasional calling to raise/c-r turn or rarely river if HU on turn.

[mplspoker]

Rus, you are trying to explain how to play "good" poker.. That isn't what Tommy Does. Frankly, unless these posts are complete joke, i feel like flying out to play in this game b/c of Tommy.. just to see if these posts are actually how he plays, etc.

[ggbman]

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Rus, you are trying to explain how to play "good" poker.. That isn't what Tommy Does. Frankly, unless these posts are complete joke, i feel like flying out to play in this game b/c of Tommy.. just to see if these posts are actually how he plays, etc.

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Don't you [censored] start again.

[Deorum]

Let me take a stab at your thoughts:

Flop: This is not really a scary board for any hands, and
although no1 is going to fold a pocket pair, and possibly
not any two cards, you decided to play your pocket kings as
if you had overcards. This allows people to give you more
action on later streets by putting doubt into their minds
as to the strength of your hand. It might induce
excessive action from somebody who hits a jack or something
on the turn. It also allows for a nice checkraise if the
button decides to bet. Your kings are only vulnerable to
one overcard and there are no other draws. Since people
are going to call with an ace high hand anyway, you cannot
protect against an ace falling on the turn by betting, you
can only valuebet against these hands at the time. If the
ace does hit, you likely can get away from your hand
cheaply depending on the action, but your opponents have
an equally likely chance of pairing their kicker and giving
you some action on that. The small bets lost from hands that
would have called drawing slim to dead is perhaps made up
from all of this.

Turn: That was pretty much a blank, no reason to scare
everybody off now with a raise while they are drawing slim
to dead to hands that will pay you off if they hit
something. Also, you get to threebet and trap BB if button
decides to raise here. This play is also consistent with
the overcards deception.

River: Okay, clearly we bet here and hope somebody calls.
It should be an easy call with any pair, as your opponents
should still be suspicious that you have overcards. Button
must have figured that it was more likely that BB would
overcall than it was that you would pay him off if he
raised. Either that or he was afraid you had 99.

So how far off was I?

[Deorum]

Forgot to add this to my flop analysis: if you bet you
also run the risk of somebody folding a hand without an
ace in it, which would be a terrible thing for you.

are you sure you weren't the button in this hand?

I have to imagine everyone else raises the river with quads

[baronzeus]

he flat called the river with the nuts? for OVERCALLS? omg

[private joker]

Tommy, what's your plan if the button raises the river? Do you put him squarely on quads and fold? Or do you pay him off?

[goofball]

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Tommy, what's your plan if the button raises the river? Do you put him squarely on quads and fold? Or do you pay him off?

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I'm pretty sure folding there most of the time would be insane.

[Chris Daddy Cool]

fwiw, i was at this game and i too was equally surprised at the river, but my only thoughts on button's play was that he is a really nice guy who did a lot of chipping back and forth with the other players at that table and he also seemed to really respect tommy (not necessarily in the poker sense but in the "he's a really nice guy" sense) and i'm sure he justified his play to himself as to wanting an overcall rather than not raising his friend on the river.

for example, if it was me betting on the river rather than tommy, he would have rasied me for sure.