Why is Oil a rare commodity in 2005... - Page 3

DougShrapnel · #21 11-11-2005, 09:06 PM

I think salt should be trading publicly like oil.

Peter666 · #22 11-12-2005, 05:49 PM

I have to come to Kane's defence because one point that is important is that oil is not a luxury item, but a necessity in most cases. Without it we do not have transportation, and without transportation a regular Joe cannot function normally in society.

One cannot just go and move somewhere else or start a movement without CAPITAL. If capital is too difficult to acquire, then there is no progress. A person cannot effectively fight the system until he has been a slave to the system for a while in order to generate the necessary capital to do what he wants to do. He may not live long enough to come to that point.

When oil companies are making record profits which is at a higher percentage than previous years, yet we are paying a lot more than ever, there is a serious problem. They are putting lower classes at a much bigger relative disadvantage than those who are in higher classes and can take the hit. That's akin to robbery. The wealth gap widens.

A free market is not free until there is enough starting capital for each individual.

r3vbr · #23 11-13-2005, 04:10 AM

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I have to come to Kane's defence because one point that is important is that oil is not a luxury item, but a necessity in most cases. Without it we do not have transportation, and without transportation a regular Joe cannot function normally in society.

One cannot just go and move somewhere else or start a movement without CAPITAL. If capital is too difficult to acquire, then there is no progress. A person cannot effectively fight the system until he has been a slave to the system for a while in order to generate the necessary capital to do what he wants to do. He may not live long enough to come to that point.

When oil companies are making record profits which is at a higher percentage than previous years, yet we are paying a lot more than ever, there is a serious problem. They are putting lower classes at a much bigger relative disadvantage than those who are in higher classes and can take the hit. That's akin to robbery. The wealth gap widens.

A free market is not free until there is enough starting capital for each individual.

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You can personally take your own money and buy oil stocks, then you will be the one who is "robbing" everyone cause you will own part of the company.

Peter666 · #24 11-13-2005, 11:29 PM

"You can personally take your own money and buy oil stocks, then you will be the one who is "robbing" everyone cause you will own part of the company."

I would if I could. The question is where do the poorer classes get the capital to invest?

BCPVP · #25 11-14-2005, 01:19 AM

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one point that is important is that oil is not a luxury item, but a necessity in most cases. Without it we do not have transportation, and without transportation a regular Joe cannot function normally in society.

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Is that so. So before the gasoline engine, people couldn't function normally in society? What did they do for all those centuries when there were no gasoline engines?

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When oil companies are making record profits which is at a higher percentage than previous years, yet we are paying a lot more than ever, there is a serious problem.

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You're right! Every company should sell their product at or less than the previous year's price to avoid these dreaded "record profits".

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They are putting lower classes at a much bigger relative disadvantage than those who are in higher classes and can take the hit. That's akin to robbery. The wealth gap widens.

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What? Who is this "They" and why are "They" obligated to keep the lower classes at an even level with higher classes? Must just be the fascist streak in you talking...

Peter666 · #26 11-14-2005, 06:02 PM

"Is that so. So before the gasoline engine, people couldn't function normally in society? What did they do for all those centuries when there were no gasoline engines?"

I'd like to see you ride a horse on the highway to work.

"What? Who is this "They" and why are "They" obligated to keep the lower classes at an even level with higher classes? Must just be the fascist streak in you talking..."

The excessively rich have a moral obligation to put their excess funds to good use. This includes taking care of the disadvantaged. If you call charity fascism, so be it.

BCPVP · #27 11-14-2005, 06:08 PM

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I'd like to see you ride a horse on the highway to work.

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Maybe a horse. Maybe a bike. Maybe a train, bus, cab, subway...people all over the world get to where they need to go without taking a car.

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The excessively rich have a moral obligation to put their excess funds to good use. This includes taking care of the disadvantaged. If you call charity fascism, so be it.

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And if they don't put their excess funds to "good use", then what?

Peter666 · #28 11-14-2005, 08:33 PM

You can't get certain jobs unless you own a car.

"And if they don't put their excess funds to "good use", then what?"

Then the gap between the poor and rich will continue to widen until another communist-like revolution takes place. If the poor do not have the bare necesities of life, they have a right to take it from those who have way too much.

tek · #29 11-15-2005, 12:28 AM

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Then the gap between the poor and rich will continue to widen until another communist-like revolution takes place. If the poor do not have the bare necesities of life, they have a right to take it from those who have way too much.

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That's why oil prices have not kept up with inflation. It's also why alternative will be found. And it's also why we have so many socialist programs in a supposedly free enterprise capatalist country. The guys pulling the strings don't want their heads or their children and grandchildrens heads on spikes, so to speak...

BCPVP · #30 11-15-2005, 02:34 AM

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You can't get certain jobs unless you own a car.

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So? Is everyone entitled to a certain job that has requirements they can't meet? Am I entitled to be an NFL quarterback, even though I can't throw well past 35 yards?

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If the poor do not have the bare necesities of life, they have a right to take it from those who have way too much.

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So do we just hope that They are kind enough to give out of their own generosity or do we force them to give? I don't fully buy into this "I have a right to your stuff" mentality you seem to be espousing.