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#23
10-26-2005, 01:51 PM
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Re: ... No Ace No Ace... Hmmm, an Ace
Any significant raise on the flop to get him to fold this hand will leave you damaged. Most people are not folding top pair, why would they call preflop then. Thats why you have to push preflop and hope he comes along. If he has an ace he had ace. If he called with a lower pair your making the decision alot harder by playing preflop esp when your 8 tabling.
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#24
10-26-2005, 01:55 PM
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Re: ... No Ace No Ace... Hmmm, an Ace
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Any significant raise on the flop to get him to fold this hand will leave you damaged. Most people are not folding top pair, why would they call preflop then. Thats why you have to push preflop and hope he comes along. If he has an ace he had ace. If he called with a lower pair your making the decision alot harder by playing preflop esp when your 8 tabling. [/ QUOTE ] I agree. And if I could get 20%+ of my stack added on for each time I had KK, without a showdown, I'd take that every day thanks. As should we all.
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#25
10-26-2005, 02:03 PM
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Re: ... No Ace No Ace... Hmmm, an Ace
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[ QUOTE ] I'd just push preflop to be honest. You'll be called loads of times by stuff you have smashed. Especially by a t2170 stack. And if not, well, I'll take the t175 in the pot, and thanks very much for coming. It is after all over 20% of your stack. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ]
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#27
10-26-2005, 02:15 PM
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Re: ... No Ace No Ace... Hmmm, an Ace
Reasons for pushing PF:
If CO folds, you get $175. If CO calls, you get the opportunity to double up with what is likely to be a signifcant favorite. You also avoid having to play post flop if an A flops which as you can see can be quite difficult. You don't want to be in the position of calling a bet or folding the best hand when an A flops. Oh and 8 tabling makes this even easier push. Put the difficult decisions on your opponent and most often they will make mistakes. Try to get cute and you'll be the one making a mistake. You didn't fold did you?
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#29
10-26-2005, 02:41 PM
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Re: ... No Ace No Ace... Hmmm, an Ace
By just calling, you almost announce to him that you don't have an ace.
This is exactly why you just call with an ace. You don't have enough $$$ behind to raise for information with KK here. If you raise, it should be all-in (but raising here is pointless IMO). He will fold something like 99 and call with AJ so raising does nothing for you. If you are going to put the $$$ in, let him do the betting since these bets will often times be small pocket pairs that hope you fold a larger under pocket. The same is true for a hand like AK. The money is going in no matter how you play it if he has an ace, but a raise on the flop will just make him fold TT or whatever (granted some people will still call an all-in but you don't want to risk it). Just call and let him throw his money away with those hands. Brad
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#30
10-26-2005, 02:43 PM
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Re: ... No Ace No Ace... Hmmm, an Ace
Fold for lack of info..
I would def reraise him on the flop, why call 50 at all? Raise it to 150-200, if he calls he prob has an ace and I am check/fold all the way. the 50 is usually a probe bet. what the raise does for you: 1. Leavs you with some chips if he pushes all in here (you fold) 2. If he calls and bets the turn or river, fold it, most liekly has an ace, if he had a PP he would check/call it down 3. If he does not have an Ax he is likely to fold it here
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