Moneymake:In poker "practice makes perfect" True?

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Why don't you reread what I said. Maybe you don't read so good. I said that your way of looking at things is "warped". Or am I making that up?

Vince

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Vince, the way you "discuss" things is [censored] retarded. When someone counters whatever you have to say, you take it as a personal attack and then try to flame them for even thinking about contradicting your point. Grow the [censored] up.

"Maybe you don't read so good [do you mean to say, "well", mr. perfect]?" Are you trying to say to that poster, "Perhaps we are having a miscommunication, let me restate in a better way" or are you trying to start a shitfest?

Why don't you start thinking more and posting less shitty threads like "Um, is it possible to beat a -ev game?" and actually work on the way you communicate? Responding to constructive criticism with a personal attack doesn't work very well, [censored].

Why even ask the opinions of other posters on 2+2 when it's obvious none of it even infiltrates your thick head? I shudder everytime I see a thread that you make becuase I know it's inevitably going to lead to a shitfest.

There is some truth to the "more you play the better you get." But the thing is that you have to think and analyze your play, ask "what worked and what didn't and why?"
Also just reading books on poker theory will not help you play better. You have to read, play, read go back and analyze.

I believe the slogan is "practice makes champions", which is a case that may be argued for, given that the practice is in good poker.

It is impossible for a player to be a "perfect player" since poker is a situational game, and a move can rarely be defined as definitly wrong, and can never be defined as perfect. Since good poker is based on the mistakes or imperfections of opponets, your move is never perfect, but simply not as imperfect as your opponet. Even if a move was thought to be perfect, there is still a great number of moves which could have been executed instead, which might have yielded even better results.

Practice helps us to consistently make decisions which in the long run will yield +EV, but I don't think any player can be called a perfect player, Just as you can make a great decision and still lose a hand, and you can make a horrible decision and still win a hand (as Moneymaker himself showed us)

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I think there is no use to play with fish. You will earn some money, but it's not the way to improve your playing skills.

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You can go on thinking that, but at every level the best players are the best, first and formost, at maximizing the money they take from fish (and this includes good players who are steaming or playing below their level).

On another note, while practice, alone, may not make bad players into good players, no one will ever be a good player with out a ton of practice, no matter how talented he or she is.

[AaronBrown]

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at every level the best players are the best, first and formost, at maximizing the money they take from fish (and this includes good players who are steaming or playing below their level).

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I don't agree with this, but it comes down to the definition of "best players" rather than a question of fact.

If you want to make a living playing Poker, then obviously it is essential to take lots of money from bad players, or good players playing badly. But the skills required for this, in my opinion, are not Poker skills. Would you say the best golfers are the ones who can make the most money betting with everyday players? The smartest people are the ones who make the most money betting on their IQ test results? The best moral philosopher is the one who makes the most money betting on moral questions?

I think the best Poker players are the ones who win consistently among good players. Some of them choose to earn their living playing Poker, in which case they must learn hustling skills as well as Poker ones. Others make their livings in other ways, and play Poker for side profit and fun. These people have no more interest in hustling bad players than they would in any other form of hustling.

[Vincent Lepore]

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work on the way you communicate

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Vince, the way you "discuss" things is [censored] retarded

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Yeah I should take lessons from a dope like you. I get it.

Vince

Vincent,

I am sorry if you took what I said the wrong way and I meant no offense by it. I have played and talked with you many times and think you are a fine guy. I was just saying that my opinion was if you're taking the statement literally or not, I don't think there is much to discuss as most of it is common knowledge of how the brain works.

I am in no way calling you a moron and apologize.

[Vincent Lepore]

Larry,

I'm not sure who you are. I was out of line. Yes I took your comments personally . I get so many negative remarks here that I believe any time that someone doesn't agree with me they are attacking me. My bad.

My reason for this post believe it or was that we are ib the midst of a poker explosion. Online poker has majestic numbers. From what I see of players online and in Casino's I believe that most are learning via "experience". They are learning by doing. They are learni from those they play against and those they see on TV. Most are of the mistaken belief that these tournament players are great poker players and try to emulate them. What they don't understand is that none of these tournament stars would ever consider playing live cash games the same way they play tournaments.

Once you learn something it is very hard to unlearn it. Practicing something that is incorrect cannot be good.

My apology,
Vince

I was actually going to make that point. If a bad player takes a shot at a high limit with a short bankroll and succeeds greatly because of running well, he may aquire a very large bankroll very fast. He may be able to continue playing at those high limits for a long time. He will probably think he is playing well because he will be results oriented and continue to play in the manor that he aquired the chips, poor play. In this regard, his "practicing" is doing him no good and he will eventually go broke. This is the problem that comes with un-learning things as you mentioned.