First trifecta in a while (LC)

[3rdCheckRaise]

Togni is probably one of the best Party 20 or 30 has to offer however he also a tracker numbers junky. If you know your numbers using it against him is a great strategy...

[tongni]

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2. how many hands do you have on the guy? because you need well into 6 figures for it to truly be meaningful. even very good players can run like crap for 50k hands.

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yeah, 3 bb/100 is running bad for me.

for everyone else:

also, I made a play that cost me one extra BB. with 11 outs. WOW DISASTER. I'm not worried about being bluffed out of the pot after my past play with him, and if I improve I win another bet when he has a pair.

It's called a read. I'm glad a bad read made your list of "worst plays ever". Here are a couple more hands where I made a read and it worked. Please let me know when you stop making decisions based on little green numbers that pop up when you hover over your opponents head.

Party Poker 20/40 Hold'em (4 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, Button calls.

River: (11.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Td Qd (one pair, tens).
Button has As 3s (one pair, threes).
Outcome: Hero wins 11.25 BB. </font>

Party Poker 20/40 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls.

Flop: (7 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, CO calls.

River: (10.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
CO has Ah 7h (high card, ace).
Hero has 8h 8s (one pair, eights).
Outcome: Hero wins 10.50 BB. </font>

[Nigel]

I think you missed a bet on the river on both those hands. If you had bet the river on both, they would be nice hands to show off with.

If you don't think you are ahead, why cap and 3 bet against opponents who cleary won't fold anything you are ahead of? The free showdown play is useless against this type of opponent, especially when he donks you on the river, just because.

Not knocking your play, because you are solid, I just respectfully don't think this was your best hand.

Nigel

EDIT: I just reread the hands and noticed you are OOP on both those hands, so it obviously wasn't a free showdown play. (I'm sick and my head isn't working I guess and I obviously can't read, sorry). Anyway, can you explain your thinking on the turn and river play on those 2 hands, just curious.

[tongni]

Well, they were both pretty good players. In hand one, I felt that he is capable of bluff raising the river here, and KQ is a real possibility. Hand two, he's not paying off with much here, so I want to at least induce a bluff or save a bet from a hand I'm slightly behind. I have a lot of hands played very similarly, but these are the first two that came to mind, because I got berated extra hard after these I think.

Also, I'm not trying to show off, but just show how a hand looks good when your read is spot on, but looks awful when it's not.

[threepines]

I agree with what you're saying, Mike. However, I was being facetious. I'm almost sure it's the same Tongni.

In line with what 3rdcheckraise suggests, Tongni never plays this way against me. He must be tracking my numbers.

[threepines]

I have a lot of respect for Tongni. In fact, when he's at a table I take a close look at it. I figure there're reasons he's there.

However, the utility of posting this hand was pretty limited. On the surface, he played his hand awful. However, according to him, it's player specific and read-based. The question that arises, then, is why post the hand at all? It doesn't raise any interesting questions or illustrate any important concepts. There's little to be learned except, perhaps, that Tongni is more imaginative than many of us might have assumed. Maybe the only general lesson is at a meta-level - what should not be posted.

[tongni]

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why post the hand at all?

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First trifecta in a while (LC)

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Note that the post is not titled "The definitive way to play A5o OOP" against a button openraise". I just thought it was funny.