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#21
09-21-2005, 12:49 PM
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Re: Fastest/Best way to build a roll for the upper-mid to high stakes
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[ QUOTE ] Okay, this last post is very alarming. There are key poker concepts that you're clearly not even aware of. These sites are not slot machines that pay out in various ways; every table has nine different kinds of player on it, plus you. And I guarantee that anywhere above $2/$4 you're going to be the sucker who thinks there's some trick to getting his results to go up, besides simply paying more attention and playing better. As if having the GPS to give you precise yardages, and other local knowledge, is going to cure you of that horrible duck-hook off the tee. Play eighty thousand hands below 5/10 before tackling it; your success at other sites is pure chance and will end, leading to one certain outcome, unless you start learning the game of poker for itself. JimmyV [/ QUOTE ] Hi Jimmy, I acknowledge I have something to learn here, as I've been unable to beat the Party 5/10. What concepts am I unaware of? Just give me a few tips if you can/would be so kind. I'm going to try again to play at Party, so I've got to try to be more prepared to play against ultra-aggressive players who cap against me with King high, cold-call 3 bets cold to see the river with a single-card inside straight draws, etc. Joe M. Ps. I'm not a totally new player who just started playing last month, etc. I've been playing for about 14 months now and have had profitable months each month - so I'm not a losing player. I do not use statistical tracking software, etc., but I played (mostly single tabling) for about 20- 30 hours a week over this 14 month time (however many hands this turns out to be). Not claiming to be very experienced or anything, just stating some facts (that will hopefully lead to some good advice from yall...). And about my Party experience, I haven't really sustained play there - haven't even come close to reaching the long-run...I just deposited 400-500 bucks, took a shot, lost it, and did this a couple of times...One time I ran up 400$ to about $1000. then swung down to about $200. and left - the Party 5/10$ just seemed too hard to me is all - again, I'm not used to players being ultra aggressive with their garbage hands/total bluffs... Take care, [/ QUOTE ] you should be playing 1/2 6 max, not 5/10. 
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#22
09-21-2005, 12:56 PM
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Re: Fastest/Best way to build a roll for the upper-mid to high stakes
why is that?
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#23
09-21-2005, 01:14 PM
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Re: Fastest/Best way to build a roll for the upper-mid to high stakes
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Okay, this last post is very alarming. There are key poker concepts that you're clearly not even aware of. These sites are not slot machines that pay out in various ways; every table has nine different kinds of player on it, plus you. And I guarantee that anywhere above $2/$4 you're going to be the sucker who thinks there's some trick to getting his results to go up, besides simply paying more attention and playing better. As if having the GPS to give you precise yardages, and other local knowledge, is going to cure you of that horrible duck-hook off the tee. Play eighty thousand hands below 5/10 before tackling it; your success at other sites is pure chance and will end, leading to one certain outcome, unless you start learning the game of poker for itself. JimmyV [/ QUOTE ] Hi Jimmy, I acknowledge I have something to learn here, as I've been unable to beat the Party 5/10. What concepts am I unaware of? Just give me a few tips if you can/would be so kind. I'm going to try again to play at Party, so I've got to try to be more prepared to play against ultra-aggressive players who cap against me with King high, cold-call 3 bets cold to see the river with a single-card inside straight draws, etc. Joe M. Ps. I'm not a totally new player who just started playing last month, etc. I've been playing for about 14 months now and have had profitable months each month - so I'm not a losing player. I do not use statistical tracking software, etc., but I played (mostly single tabling) for about 20- 30 hours a week over this 14 month time (however many hands this turns out to be). Not claiming to be very experienced or anything, just stating some facts (that will hopefully lead to some good advice from yall...). And about my Party experience, I haven't really sustained play there - haven't even come close to reaching the long-run...I just deposited 400-500 bucks, took a shot, lost it, and did this a couple of times...One time I ran up 400$ to about $1000. then swung down to about $200. and left - the Party 5/10$ just seemed too hard to me is all - again, I'm not used to players being ultra aggressive with their garbage hands/total bluffs... Take care, [/ QUOTE ] you should be playing tiddliwinks , not 5/10. [/ QUOTE ] FYP
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#24
09-21-2005, 01:16 PM
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Re: Fastest/Best way to build a roll for the upper-mid to high stakes
well, you said this:
[ QUOTE ] the Party 5/10$ just seemed too hard to me is all - again, I'm not used to players being ultra aggressive with their garbage hands/total bluffs... [/ QUOTE ] which means you are not ready for 5/10. the 1/2 6 max game on Party is easy, and a good training ground for shorthanded play. then, you can move onto 3/6 6 max. it really doesn't sound like you're fundamentally prepared for 5/10 6 max. I'm not trying to be mean, just giving my opinion.
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#25
09-21-2005, 02:21 PM
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Re: Fastest/Best way to build a roll for the upper-mid to high stakes
For one, I wouldn't consider 10/20 a "lower stake." It is fairly large and one you will want a minimum of a $7-$10k roll for. I don't know where you get these $500 is enough for 5/10 figures. I lose 50BB in short periods of time all the time and I beat that game for a decent amount.
If you want to build a roll you beat the smaller games. You don't take small amounts to higher stakes and hope to get lucky. I started playing .5/1 in March and have moved to 5/10 slowly by beating each limit as I moved up. Had I kept all my winnings instead of withdrawing I could probably be playing higher. Seriously, there is no shortcut. Start small with at least 300BB for whatever limit you choose and move up from there. Always be ready to drop back down if you need to. In fact everytime I have moved up I ended up dropping back down temporarily.
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#26
09-21-2005, 02:49 PM
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Re: Fastest/Best way to build a roll for the upper-mid to high stakes
Thank you,
So, to answer my question(s): Party 5/10 IS a profitable game to play... But to play there you want to have at least 300 BBets (or $3000.). And I should expect regular swings of $500. and not be phased/discouraged by these swings... As far as dealing with the aggression (which noone has given me any advice on yet) I gather I should focus on just being patient and waiting for a hand and letting the aggressive players throw money at me... (i.e., folding a lot of hands early in the hand w/out a fight if I don't have anything made/outs to improve...). I can't really play 1/2 or 2/4 anymore - the bets don't mean anything to me (or to making the other players fold anything...). At that limit you have to play a totally different style and focus on just making and showing down the best hand b/c noone is folding anything ever - early or late in the hand (at least no to the extent you can wins hands w/out showing down at mid- to high limits - I shouldn't say "ever"). Thanks - and try to keep the insults coming. So far the berating has been pretting weak for what one should expect by posting here on 2 +2...lol Is there such a place to play virtual Tiddlywinks online for real money? Joe M.
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#28
09-21-2005, 03:01 PM
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Re: Fastest/Best way to build a roll for the upper-mid to high stakes
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Thank you, So, to answer my question(s): Party 5/10 IS a profitable game to play... But to play there you want to have at least 300 BBets (or $3000.). And I should expect regular swings of $500. and not be phased/discouraged by these swings... As far as dealing with the aggression (which noone has given me any advice on yet) I gather I should focus on just being patient and waiting for a hand and letting the aggressive players throw money at me... (i.e., folding a lot of hands early in the hand w/out a fight if I don't have anything made/outs to improve...). I can't really play 1/2 or 2/4 anymore - the bets don't mean anything to me (or to making the other players fold anything...). At that limit you have to play a totally different style and focus on just making and showing down the best hand b/c noone is folding anything ever - early or late in the hand (at least no to the extent you can wins hands w/out showing down at mid- to high limits - I shouldn't say "ever"). Thanks - and try to keep the insults coming. So far the berating has been pretting weak for what one should expect by posting here on 2 +2...lol Is there such a place to play virtual Tiddlywinks online for real money? Joe M. [/ QUOTE ] You can expect swings of 1500$+. I can't really play 1/2 or 2/4 anymore - the bets don't mean anything to me (or to making the other players fold anything...) That statement right there, basically tells me you should stop playing altogether until you learn hte fundamentals.
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#29
09-21-2005, 03:07 PM
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Re: Fastest/Best way to build a roll for the upper-mid to high stakes
I love, you said, "I can't play 1/2 or 2/4 because those bets don't mean anything to me." Then that is exactly where you should be. If the money means something to you, then you are playing too high. Also, specific games aren't profitable, POKER is profitable, so long as you play it right.
As for hyper-agros, just know how to use them. know when to jack the pot up with two-pair, and when to call down with ace-high. When you get to higher levels, you'll learn that this aggressive play is the only way to win, but at the five and dime tables, players don't get it. Some of them get WAY too aggressive, but others do have it right and are simply on their way up. Take advantage of these agros and watch out for the players who are agro, but know what they are doing. CSC
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#30
09-21-2005, 03:20 PM
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Re: Fastest/Best way to build a roll for the upper-mid to high stakes
no offense guy, but if someone told me that they had $1500. downswings at
$5/10 longhand limit, then I'd say they just suck (and are flat out not beating the game). Even if you push the most marginal edges and lose lots of big pots where you pumped a lot of money into, to lose $1500. at 5/10 means to me that you're playing against players that are simply better than you... I play at Pacific's $5/10 and it's odd if you have a $500. downswing - EVER. The game is that easy. You always get paid off on your made hands and the players aren't aggressive. If you're saying I need to invest $3000. and sometimes have to worry about a $1500. downswing - no thanks - I'll find another 5/10 game to play (that's easier). You guys that beat party 5/10 - do you just barely scrape by or are you making $5K a month playing the game? Joe M.
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