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Old 09-12-2005, 01:42 AM
cold_cash cold_cash is offline
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In a seven handed game, don't we need expand our cold-calling list a bit? That makes a hand like QJs more likely, or even 66 (which is unlikely but possible).

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I doubt he ever cold calls 66 there, but I dunno.

Also, there are only two combos of QJs out there, and he would only play one of them this way, IMO. So even if you count that in I still think calling down is the way to go based on the available combos of what we think he might have.
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:42 AM
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so if i have this right, your play is -EV because you are adding to the rake, which i dont think is capped yet

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I don't think the rake has much to do with it.

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if were splitting the pot it does
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:45 AM
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so if i have this right, your play is -EV because you are adding to the rake, which i dont think is capped yet

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I don't think the rake has much to do with it.

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if were splitting the pot it does

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I realize that, but if you're going to play the hand differently it's not going to be because of the rake.

That's what I meant.
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Old 09-12-2005, 04:17 AM
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Default Re: Cold call/smoothbet

I like this 3bet as I am pretty sure button has exactly KQ, or slowplayed QQ-AA. A bluff cap is a pretty strong move, and I wouldn't expect 2+2ers to do it to me in this spot, so I would fold to a 4bet (although this is something you obviously can't do often). It is just gonna be hard for KQ to take you to a showdown with that action on this board.
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Old 09-12-2005, 04:18 AM
Klepton Klepton is offline
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Default Re: Cold call/smoothbet

this is very very hot

i would have just check 3-bet

why aren't you at 30-60 yet?
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Old 09-12-2005, 06:24 AM
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I think you both have the same hand. Harv's is soooted. You should have folded preflop, and if Harv is smart he will call you down for the chop chop.

But he wasn't very smart to begin with, cold-calling KQ without anyone else in the pot...
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Old 09-12-2005, 06:49 AM
Carmine Carmine is offline
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The most likely hand for Harv is AQ. You have to believe he is cabable of mucking TPTK to a BB's wide set range here(a TAG BB does not have two pair on this brd). So how confident are you that he is cabable of that or even the less likely KQs. I assume you are folding to a cap. What about the river if he just calls the turn? If Harv calls this turn he is calling the river. Spending 3-bets, minimum, on a very, very player dependant move. That read has got to be concrete or this line sucks IMO.
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Old 09-12-2005, 07:01 AM
Carmine Carmine is offline
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Default Re: Cold call/smoothbet

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I think you both have the same hand. Harv's is soooted. You should have folded preflop, and if Harv is smart he will call you down for the chop chop.

But he wasn't very smart to begin with, cold-calling KQ without anyone else in the pot...

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I also cc on button with KQs (fold KQo) and I think calling in the BB with KQo considering the discount is okay even HU. Is this bad?
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Old 09-12-2005, 07:02 AM
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wtf is a smoothbet?

i dont like this at all
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Old 09-12-2005, 07:03 AM
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hate it.
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