Quick Vote! Do You Raise, Call, or Fold this River?

[Dave D]

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You got lucky this time, but 95% of the time a min bet post flop is AK or better here, begging for action. Min bets are the most consistant tells of a monster.


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Dave,

I've noticed you have an irrational fear of 'monsters under the bed' when it comes to min raises and min bets. Somewhere else I read that 80% of ep min raises are KK-AA. Maybe these percentages you throw out are just hyperbole, but overall I think this is exploitable. (assuming anyone is paying attention. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img])

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It is hyperbole, but in my experiance (20+2s, 30+3s and occasionally a 10+1 on party) the min bet is almost always a monster. Especially in this situation with villian betting 10% of the pot, it's a huge underbet begging for action. I'd be especially scared w/ villian's call of the hero's raise on the flop. Sure, in this case villian was an idiot, but what is hero *possibly* drawing for on this flop? What would he feel comfortable with? Is there even an ideal card to come on the turn here where villian feels at all comfortable with his hand given villian's actions? An ace? Even an ace is as much of a scare card as not.

I think once I was in I'd call the 800 and hope the other guy doesn't raise, as the pot is really huge right now. Then I'd hope for an ace, and play it as WA/WB, unless villian bets a lot on the turn, then I happily fold.

[Gomez22]

I haven't read the results yet, but to be honest, I think the flop play is about as bad as it gets. He bets 800 into a 6750 pot, and you raise to 2000. I would really like to know your reasoning for this, as your are giving him 8-1 to call you here and you have just an overcard and a BD FD/SD. The raise makes no sense whatsoever.

In situations such as this, I generally like to think of push/fold given the pot size and stack size. If you're not willing to put your stack in on the flop in a raised pot with position on the PF aggressor in a HU situation after they make a bet and have you covered, you need to let the hand go.

I am not making any judgments on your play overall, but in this single particular situation, it really stinks.

[FakeKramer]

Yea, looking back, it was a pretty pointless raise on the flop I guess.