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#2
08-26-2005, 10:42 AM
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Re: I get fancy with 22
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Check-raising the flop is just asking your opponent to outplay you. I check-call the flop and evaluate my options after I see the turn card. [/ QUOTE ] This is how I feel as well. I can also see a lot of merit to betting out on the flop and letting the BB raise us. I've played this exact line in the past and Jeff is dead on - check raising this flop gives BB every opportunity to outplay us. 
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#3
08-26-2005, 02:01 PM
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Re: I get fancy with 22
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[ QUOTE ] Check-raising the flop is just asking your opponent to outplay you. I check-call the flop and evaluate my options after I see the turn card. [/ QUOTE ] This is how I feel as well. I can also see a lot of merit to betting out on the flop and letting the BB raise us. I've played this exact line in the past and Jeff is dead on - check raising this flop gives BB every opportunity to outplay us. [/ QUOTE ] I woke up this morning and saw 20+ replies for this thread. Nice. Agreed that a bet/call line on the flop would've been easier to play on later streets. Given that I c/r'ed though, I think putting in one more turn bet with a raise isn't bad at all. I can get an overcard hand with up to 10-12 outs to fold. And it appears no one agrees with me on this, but I think there is folding equity for a 88-JJ type hand to muck it. It's an easy fold to a 3-bet since I'm drawing to 2 outs at best. Lastly, I can check the river and have a very good chance of seeing a free showdown vs. a better hand considering the strength I've shown. So if I'm going to see a showdown, this turn/riv combo costs me the same 2BB the majority of the time as it would by calling down, plus it gives me the opportunity to fold a hand with outs, or even fold a better hand out. The villain did end up folding, however I felt there was a good chance I was spewing here so it felt post-worthy. I'll take a more passive line next time. Edit: I'm still surprised that no one thinks 88-JJ folds here. Is this an adjustment I should personally make at this level, because I have made some of these tough folds against solid TAG players on warranted basis.
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#5
08-26-2005, 07:28 AM
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Re: I get fancy with 22
Keeps this one simple. This is a great flop for you and you need to protect your hand, if possible. Just lead the flop and hope BB raises and knocks out UTG. From there I just call down, only folding if an Ace or Queen hits on the turn or river.
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#6
08-26-2005, 10:07 AM
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Re: I get fancy with 22
If this is your default then you're spewing chips. But in the right situation against the right opponent it can be the right play.
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#7
08-26-2005, 02:53 PM
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Re: I get fancy with 22
To employ a generalism: when you are HU against an overly aggressive player at 10/20 who you do not have a very solid read on, and your hand has some showdown value, any play that jeopardizes your likelihood of seeing a showdown is usually a bad idea. This is ESPECIALLY true on a paired board, a drawy board, or any other time when the opponent is unlikely to give you credit for a hand regardless of how you play.
The frequency with which hands like flush draws, A-highs, and total garbage a la 43o and the like will 3-bet your turn checkraise without a second's hesitation in this spot is truly awe inspiring.
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#8
08-26-2005, 10:33 PM
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Re: I get fancy with 22
Didn't read all posts, but I agree with Sthief's assertion that you have very little fold equity against a guy that has been playing back at you. Plus just about every card is a scare card when you hold 22. I only get tricky with this hand if my opponnent is very predictable. Since your opponnent is not predictable, i think either mucking the flop or just calling down is the best line.
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