I was going to fold until I kinda improved on the turn

Well, if we call then a card like a 3 or a Q comes on the turn, are we raising the CO's turn bet? And folding to a 3-bet?

[Evan]

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I don't know if Evan plans on posting it, but he made a good argument for check-calling the flop and I agree that line is best.

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I'm lazy....

<font color="red">Evan:</font> in your 88 hand
<font color="red">Evan:</font> what's your feeling about c/c the flop?
<font color="blue">shant:</font> whats the plan after that?
<font color="red">Evan:</font> if the same card comes off on the turn i'd probably c/r
<font color="blue">shant:</font> i guess after the capper checks and that guy bets i should tread lightly
<font color="red">Evan:</font> yea, its a weird hand
<font color="red">Evan:</font> and a shitty one to have to play oop
<font color="red">Evan:</font> and i dont think a flop c/r does a whole lot for you
<font color="red">Evan:</font> other than make the pot unmanagably large
<font color="blue">shant:</font> yeah especially since the pot is huge
<font color="blue">shant:</font> yeah
<font color="red">Evan:</font> i know it seem like the right place to use it to "protect your hand"
<font color="red">Evan:</font> but realistically i dont think it does
<font color="blue">shant:</font> yeah right after i did it i remembered the guuy behind me is the coldcaller
<font color="red">Evan:</font> that's not the kind of flop where you're going to be able to protect 8s
<font color="blue">shant:</font> and the pot is huge
<font color="red">Evan:</font> the other thing
<font color="red">Evan:</font> about protecting your hand
<font color="red">Evan:</font> is that based ont he PF action its not even all that likely you have anything worth protecting
<font color="red">Evan:</font> you have a 2 outter here pretty often imo
<font color="blue">shant:</font> true
<font color="blue">shant:</font> yeah wow i shouldve thought about all of that
<font color="blue">shant:</font> seems like an obvious call now
<font color="red">Evan:</font> eh, i miss that kinda stuff a lot when im in the middle of a hand
<font color="red">Evan:</font> you just see $500 in the middle and want to win it as fast as possible
<font color="blue">shant:</font> hahaha
<font color="blue">shant:</font> yeah and go into autopilot
<font color="red">Evan:</font> yea
<font color="red">Evan:</font> anyway, that's my .02

[shant]

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Well, if we call then a card like a 3 or a Q comes on the turn, are we raising the CO's turn bet? And folding to a 3-bet?

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I think that's a good plan.

[W. Deranged]

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Well, if we call then a card like a 3 or a Q comes on the turn, are we raising the CO's turn bet? And folding to a 3-bet?

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Personally I think there's something to be said for donk-betting the turn if you feel confident you can fold to a turn raise. (That is, after we have check-called the flop).

Check-raising the turn seems to be getting way too deep into this hand. A check-through also sucks when we're ahead.

[chief444]

Even in this pot though the check/raise makes it tough for AK or AJs to call on a QQ2 rainbow flop since they aren't closing the action. But, if he does just peel on the flop (which I don't really disagree with) are you leading this turn?

[Evan]

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Evan: if the same card comes off on the turn i'd probably c/r

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[Justin A]

This turn looks like a pretty easy check/fold.

[chief444]

Ahhhh, missed that. Given the circumstances I think CO will bet again so I agree.

[Luv2DriveTT]

Preflop - coolio.

Flop check-call, fold to any great aggression.

Turn - BET. I prefer this line over the checkraise, but its not such a horrible choice.

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this is definate fold pre-flop, remember small pocket pairs are basically two outers plus straight draw opps. Maybe if it was heads up u improve on the turn but just not worth the call in the first place, u kinda get sucked in but i dont like it