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07-31-2005, 07:37 PM
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Re: Foxwoods, an angle waiting to happen
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i was *shocked* when someone told me this was not a betting line. i almost argued with the regular that he MUST be wrong. only place i had seen the circle put in was at grand biloxi and it was certainly a betting line there. i love this line when used strictly as a betting line. [/ QUOTE ] When it is a betting line it changes the focus of the argument. I am very opposed to a betting line; I am a firm believer in forward motion; if you move chips forward in a limit game you are indicating a bet. You should not be able to move forward, stop short of a line and try to gauge a reaction. 
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#22
08-02-2005, 12:13 PM
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Re: Foxwoods, an angle waiting to happen
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When I was there a couple of months ago I saw a guy get called on this in a deep stacked 5/5 game. There were two guys in the hand and on the turn or the river one guys bets something like $1000 and this other guy (kind of a donkey) sits there thinking for a while then starts counting chips in front of his cards. After some time he decides he is going to fold, but the other guy protested that since this guy was counting his chips in front of his cards he is obliged to call. The guy then flips out and says there is no way he is paying because he didn't 'put his chips across the line' and the floor tells him that the line doesn't mean anything, that it is just there to help the dealers out. He ended up storming out clutching his chips. Foxwoods took the hit and paid the other player the bet that was 'called' and I would guess the other guy has never seem the inside of foxwoods again. [/ QUOTE ] That's awful.
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#23
08-02-2005, 12:35 PM
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Re: Foxwoods, an angle waiting to happen
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[ QUOTE ] i was *shocked* when someone told me this was not a betting line. i almost argued with the regular that he MUST be wrong. only place i had seen the circle put in was at grand biloxi and it was certainly a betting line there. i love this line when used strictly as a betting line. [/ QUOTE ] When it is a betting line it changes the focus of the argument. I am very opposed to a betting line; I am a firm believer in forward motion; if you move chips forward in a limit game you are indicating a bet. You should not be able to move forward, stop short of a line and try to gauge a reaction. [/ QUOTE ] when i play at bay101 they use the line as a betting line and the chips are only "bet" once they are actually put on the felt beyond the line, this ruling was confirmed by a few floormen. i usually keep my cards along the side of my stack and count my chips in front, which would wreck me at foxwoods. however, i suppose a verbal declaration will do. that being said i think its a really stupid rule. any way you do it someone will always try to angleshoot, they should just make it so that it makes sense for regular players. rj
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#24
08-02-2005, 08:46 PM
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Re: Foxwoods, an angle waiting to happen
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...Foxwoods took the hit and paid the other player the bet that was 'called'... [/ QUOTE ] I'll print this out and eat it if this really happened...which it DIDN'T! Some days it is a betting line, some days an arm stretch exercise line. Protect yourself from angle shooters, know ALL the rules of the card room you're in (and then get red-faced when the floor interprets things differently!) -ZEN
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