Only time to tip a tourney dealer..... - Page 3

The_Tracker · #21 07-26-2005, 11:03 AM

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BTW, I've skimmed thru the other thread you mentioned, but didn't really see any compelling arguments for why dealers DESERVE to be tipped. That's not saying I don't, because I do, but what are some valid logical arguments for them deserving tips, or what do they do exactly that should automatically make them deserve a one? Usually I just see/hear dealers make some comment to the effect of "Are you serious??" in a condescending mocking tone if this is asked, but I'm genuinely want to hear some arguments.

GoT

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I don't care to get into this debate yet again. If you don't tip, then you don't tip. No amount of rationalizing is going to change a cheapskates mind. If a dealer is doing a good job, and moving the game along, he deserves a tip from the winner of the pot. Its the way its done. Period.

Truth is, dealers don't really give a [censored] about you non-tippers. Push the pot, and move on to the next hand. Tippers far outnumber the cheapskates. The problem I have, is when these a-holes try to convience everyone else not to tip as well. Most likely so they won't continue to look/feel like an ass in front of everyone.

imported_adhoc · #22 07-26-2005, 11:07 AM

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If you don't tip, then you don't tip.

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Explain.

The_Tracker · #23 07-26-2005, 11:08 AM

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There are a few that have drug problems, the same as any other job.

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I am not suggesting that all dealers have drug problems, only that most of them do. My guess is that somewhere from 80-90% are serious drug addicts. If you are not addicted to drugs, that is very laudable, and I am not referring to you. All I am doing is pointing out the facts.

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Hey littleman,

Did you know that ALL the major Vegas casinos do hair testing prior to employment? They can go back very far with hair tests. Seems to me it would be kind of hard to get a job if you are a "drug addict" when this type of screening is done.

Stupid troll has no idea what he is talking about. Spare everyone your high school locker room talk.

The_Tracker · #24 07-26-2005, 11:10 AM

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If you don't tip, then you don't tip.

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Explain.

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Explain??

It's real simple if you can read plain english. A non-tipper is a non-tipper, and will always be that way. Its more of a personality trait.

Anything else I can comprehend for you?

The_Tracker · #25 07-26-2005, 11:11 AM

By the way adhoc, shouldn't you be off to school?

45suited · #26 07-26-2005, 11:20 AM

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BTW, I've skimmed thru the other thread you mentioned, but didn't really see any compelling arguments for why dealers DESERVE to be tipped.

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I don't post in this forum often (usually play online) but how does someone so ignorant get a green screen name? Are you a moderator somewhere or something?

If you don't want to tip waitresses, don't go out to a restaurant. If you don't want to tip dealers, don't play in a casino. I know you said that you tip, but why should a dealer have to get into a conversation with someone about why they "deserve" a tip? No self-respecting person would get into a conversation with someone after you pose such a condescending question. What is he supposed to do, allow himself to be demeaned and grovel for tips? That really pisses me off when someone wants to take advantage of the fact that the guy they're being an A-hole to is at work and can't respond properly for fear of getting into trouble with their bosses.

Recognizing the restraint that the dealer has to show, I hope the other players at the table, who can say basically whatever they want, explained to you what an A-hole you are.

Some people must have to treat other people like this in order to make themselves feel important. I don't give a $hit who you are, you're no better than that dealer making a living buddy. Why don't you try asking him that question outside of his place of employment and see how he responds to you???

imported_adhoc · #27 07-26-2005, 11:22 AM

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It's real simple if you can read plain english. A non-tipper is a non-tipper, and will always be that way. Its more of a personality trait.

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I'm not sure that this is necessarily true, as the graphic below suggests. Note that there appears to be some overlap between "tippers" and "non-tippers." What is your source?

#28 07-26-2005, 12:05 PM

If NOBODY tips me I make 20 bucks a day, or 320$ a months
nobody can live on that. the guy begging change makes more than that.
If NOBODY tiped the dealer, there would be no dealers, hence there would be no B&M poker.

In answer to the origional question, only the winner, or winners of the tourny are expected to tip the dealer. If it is a multi table tourney, which most of them are, than whatever tips are recieved get split by all the dealers that dealt that tourney. If none of the winners tip, then we just dealt that tourney for free. nobody likes to work for free.
10% of whatever you win in a tourney is an ideal tip. that may sound like alot, but its really not. after its all said and done, a ten % tip will usually brerak down to about 12-17 bucks an hour for all the dealers in the tourny
remember 15 bucks an hour 40 hours a week is only 30K a year.

If you dont want to tip, then dont tip, the dealers will still be nice to you, because we have to, but please keep it tou yourself. i am sure you would not like it if I tried to talk your boss out of not paying you next month.

KenProspero · #29 07-26-2005, 12:31 PM

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BTW, I've skimmed thru the other thread you mentioned, but didn't really see any compelling arguments for why dealers DESERVE to be tipped.

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Since you ask nicely, and say that you tip anyway --

What are the compelling arguments for tipping anyone?

Waitresses, Bellboys, Cab Drivers, Doormen, etc. etc. etc.

The compelling reason is that this is the custom in the United States. Certain people get tipped and that tips are considered part of their income. Essentially, if someone performs 'average' service (which, almost by definition, most do) they get a standard tip, whatever that is. For exceptional service, give 'em a little extra. On RARE occasions where service is sub par, tip a little less or not at all.

However, for the compelling reason -- we do it because that's what's the custom here, and expected tips are part of the compensation scale.

BottlesOf · #30 07-26-2005, 12:41 PM

You pretty much missed GOT's post entirely. He was just stating facts, not saying "compelling reasons for tipping" need to be put forth. I'm quite confident GOT tips, and probably tips well. I'm quite confident GOT knows some good reasons why he should tip, and why they outway the reasons not to tip. A lot of people here could outline these reasons but it's been done ad nauseum in the past.

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I know you said that you tip, but why should a dealer have to get into a conversation with someone about why they "deserve" a tip?

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GOT is not saying anywhere that a dealer should have this conversation. Please read his post again.

On another note, I'm going to start getting rid of posts in this thread that have no on topic discussion. If this thread just becomes a re hash of arguments made in threads in previous days, I'm going to lock it.