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Old 07-18-2005, 10:41 PM
jfresh jfresh is offline
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Default Re: Walking into a bear trap, can I get away?

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the fact that the K on board leaves more possibilities of AA than KK

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not true because hero holds an A in his hand, so chances of KK and AA are, at least mathematically, equal
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Old 07-18-2005, 11:01 PM
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AA no good

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yup
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Old 07-19-2005, 07:27 AM
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Default Re: Walking into a bear trap, can I get away? RESULTS

I raised the river, he insta three bets. I think and figure theres a 90% chance of KK and a 10% chance of an overplayed AA so I call. He flips AA and I win.

Thanks everyone.
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Old 07-19-2005, 08:01 AM
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If you don't think you can raise the river here, then you never should have chased the Jack on the flop.

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this makes very little sense to me.

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Ok, I'll clarify.

If you believe you might be drawing dead, you need to factor that in, as it has a big effect on implied odds.
One of the great reasons to draw to the Jack on the flop, is the chance you'll be getting multiple bets on the big streets. Make more sense to you now?
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Old 07-19-2005, 09:21 AM
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Default Re: Walking into a bear trap, can I get away?

The river raise is a tiny bit thin, but I think I tend to make it too. From many players limp-cap is different from limp-reraise; it's as likely to mean 'let's gamble, I got T9s' as AA.

Neither raising nor calling can be a big mistake here. Folding at any point however would be horrible, and I'm surprised people fell for the thread title on that score. It's an enormous mistake heads-up with Broadway and not worth considering unless there's a four-flush or something.

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Old 07-19-2005, 12:20 PM
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Default Re: Walking into a bear trap, can I get away?

I call here because I expect to see KK or AA, which are the usual limp-cap hands. If I raise and he folds, I don't know if he's got AA or AK but I win the pot.

If I call I get a bit of intelligence as well as try to pay the least when behind. No way you should fold.
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Old 07-19-2005, 01:12 PM
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Default Re: Walking into a bear trap, can I get away?

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I call here because I expect to see KK or AA, which are the usual limp-cap hands. If I raise and he folds, I don't know if he's got AA or AK but I win the pot.

If I call I get a bit of intelligence as well as try to pay the least when behind. No way you should fold.

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if he's unwilling to part with his aces and will even (horribly) 3 bet them this is an extremely profitable raise.

-Barron
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Old 07-19-2005, 02:51 PM
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raise. Get value your probably ahead here. Checking is weak.
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Old 07-19-2005, 03:07 PM
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Default Re: Walking into a bear trap, can I get away? RESULTS

So after these posts and the results have you decided that you played it the best way?
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Old 07-19-2005, 05:31 PM
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Default Re: Walking into a bear trap, can I get away? RESULTS

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I raised the river, he insta three bets. I think and figure theres a 90% chance of KK and a 10% chance of an overplayed AA so I call. He flips AA and I win.

Thanks everyone.

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I wouldn't consider this player exactly 'passive' postflop given how LAGgy he just overplayed his AA.

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