Give me a line

[clownshoes]

I generally enjoy 3betting this much more than waiting for the turn to c/r
Theres a good chance he will cap the flop, then you could go for the turn c/r which would be great fun

[sy_or_bust]

To even a mildly aware Button, CO's raise is a potential any-2. From that standpoint the float probably indicates that Villain holds a weak and probably speculative hand, and Villain's flop raise can easily be a pure bluff. I think this is an important factor. The line I'd take against a probable J or low-mid PP is not the line I want against a bluffer. If that's true, I don't 3-bet the flop. I wouldn't stop n go either. I'd much rather checkraise the turn (would love to do this on the river, but I doubt it can happen).

[brettbrettr]

A 75/25er calls 3 times as much as he raises pre-flop.

An 8% PFR isn't all that low.

[brettbrettr]

No, can't go WA/WB. Its too likely button puts Hero on a steal and is willing to showdown much less than he normal.

[baronzeus]

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This invariably looks like you have either JJ, AA or KK to your opponent. Not that this isn't still appropriate against some players, but this is what you are screaming in their ear.

- Jim

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That's fine...but uh...can't we just assume hes a moran?

[BWebb]

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To even a mildly aware Button, CO's raise is a potential any-2. From that standpoint the float probably indicates that Villain holds a weak and probably speculative hand, and Villain's flop raise can easily be a pure bluff.

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If it's a weak or speculative hand, a check on the turn gives a chance for a free card. If it's a bluff, a checkraise keeps him from bluffing on the river. I think a turn checkraise is the worst option of those given so far.

[soweak.]

without looking at any responses, my line would be to call and C/R the turn. You are only behind JJ, J7, and any hand with a 7 in it. It is most likely your opponent has put you on a steal, or has 3-bet a hand you have dominated right now (KK, QQ, AJ, AK). give him some rope on the flop so you can get two bets out of him on the turn.

if you are 3-bet call down.

[sy_or_bust]

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I think a turn checkraise is the worst option of those given so far.

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It isn't great if Villain has a hand, but it's certainly not horrible. Still, I think a pure bluff is much more likely here, when Villain will only rarely check behind on the turn, and even sometimes feel compelled to call the raise with a weak hand fearing another bluff. Neither player has given the other great reason to suspect big hands.

[W. Deranged]

True, but:

1. A player who only raise 8% if probably not often isolating with hands like KJ.

2. A 3-1 call/raise pre-flop ratio is indicative of flop passivity. Given, it's the same ratio as a 75/25 player but I don't particularly see how that extreme case bears on villian-in-question. He doesn't raise as much as a TAG/2+2 player would and I think it's inaccurate to assume he'll automatically be trying to isolate with certain hands given his stats.

[Jeff W]

3-bet, keep lead until he raises again.