value bet debate - Page 3

Poldi · #21 07-13-2005, 06:43 AM

I also think this is a pretty easy value bet and without a reliable read I call a raise.

MAxx · #22 07-13-2005, 09:25 AM

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i thin its a pretty easy bet. he will likely call you with any pair save a 6. lay down to a raise unless he is aggro or capable.

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I echo this except I would be calling a raise from unknowns and folding only if I have a read of passive. Of course I'm all used to 10/20.

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thats what I think too

Alobar · #23 07-13-2005, 12:03 PM

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- he disagreed and said it clearly wasnt auto if i had to think - i explained that its common for auto value bets to actually take a little time because invariably a voice appears and says "holy crap thats a bad card - maybe i should be a sook and check" - fortunately i had previously been heard to say if it doesnt hurt when you value bet your not doing it right but he still didnt buy it

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that sums it all up perfectly. Tell your pupil to quit arguing with the master! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

btw, I love all your aussie slang. "sook" is a new one, is that like a chook only better?

dave44 · #24 07-13-2005, 12:19 PM

There are straight draws galore on this board- I'd say a bet is necessary. No postflop read either so you can't be checking here against an unknown everytime.

PokerBob · #25 07-13-2005, 12:20 PM

even i bet this

PokerBob · #26 07-13-2005, 12:22 PM

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opinions on the turn bet? at first glance I don't like it

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hmmmmmmm.......

btspider · #27 07-13-2005, 12:27 PM

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opinions on the turn bet? at first glance I don't like it

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isn't this a case where you can bet-call the turn and check-fold unimproved if he bets the river... this costs the same as when you check-call the turn and kind of have to check-call the river as well since you gave up your initiative. or would you check-call the turn and check-fold the river?

sthief09 · #28 07-13-2005, 12:29 PM

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I think not betting here is leaving money on the table.

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why's that

sthief09 · #29 07-13-2005, 12:32 PM

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opinions on the turn bet? at first glance I don't like it

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isn't this a case where you can bet-call the turn and check-fold unimproved if he bets the river... this costs the same as when you check-call the turn and kind of have to check-call the river as well since you gave up your initiative. or would you check-call the turn and check-fold the river?

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maybe you're right. I don't love my hand at that point. I think I can get more value from people bluffing than I can from them calling with a worse hand. maybe the typical 5/10 player is looser and more passive but I do think against a lot of players this is true. I guess you could bet to get Ax to fold, but a lot of players will even bet that if checked to.

Mig · #30 07-13-2005, 01:13 PM

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I guess you could bet to get Ax to fold, but a lot of players will even bet that if checked to.

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I think the same here. I think a lot of hands will bet if checked to. The board is now very scary and you look scary if you check. Even the most passive player might take a stab at the pot if checked to. I think that giving the fact he has position on us I would probably check often here. Inducing a bluff or only paying 1 more if beaten. If it was initially raised by CO or Button I would bet 100% here... Maybe I give too much credit to a UTG pfr ?