New York Poker Players To Protest NYPD Raids

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No its not -- right at the beginning of the piece, the author insinuates that the clubs closed in May were just like Teddy KGB's club in Rounders. That is certainly not the case.

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That doesnt puts this clubs in an biased view? Seems to glorify them... and only people who have seen the movie would even understand the description

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What the heck is "illegal money"??? Money is money.

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Nit picking bastard. You know what he meant. The money was involved in illegal activity. Money is Money too bad that its the nycs money now eh?


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Actually, there is most definitely a contract between the clubs and the players that the chips represent owed money. A contract does not need to be in writing and can exist based on established practice -- that is the case with chips at a small card room or at a Vegas casino. (Of course, the contract may not be enforceable...)

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Many very famous cases on the topic. A court would decide if the contract was enforceable ect (contract law suxs) But in this case its easy. The money was involved in illegal activity, and the owners of money were participating in said activity. Thus the contract has no standing.


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Actually, it is likely that the players owned the chips that they were not allowed to keep after the raid. If someone wanted to be ballsy, they could have asked for a receipt for the chips being taken from them during the raid -- of course, that might also have bought them a trip to jail for the evening. The fact that you had $X in chips sitting in front of you at the time of the raid would be pretty strong evidence that $X of the confiscated money was yours.

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But no one has a receipt for the chips. And if they requested one they would have ended up in jail. One last time participating in a raked card game of any kind is illegal!!!!!!!!!! (in ny)

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No comment, but no reason to believe any cash was pocketed.

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All money was accounted for (from many personal accounts i have heard At least at players), and all money will go to the city.

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Actually when you don’t know wtf you are talking about you really should stfu!



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No need to curse me out in initials, Jack. Especially when I didnt state anything as fact. I posed a simple question: If the players are doing nothing illegal, and clearly, it is the players money then how is it legal to confiscate it with no mechanism to return it to the lawful owner? That strikes me a very unamerican concept.

Money cannot participate in illegal activity. Money is an object.

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Money can be participated in illegal activity... but it takes a person to do so.... which was clearly stated before hand.

They don’t have to return the money because people participating in a rake game are participating in an illegal activity and thus are liable to have the money confiscated by the city.


Un-American who are u bill o’reily… we also have laws here and if you break or bend them, you take risks like this. The activity was illegal and now there money is the city of new yorks.

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Is participating in a raked game illegal? If so, why were no players charged? If it is, then the players should have been charged (not that I like this option). However, if the players were not charged, then keeping their money isnt right. You cant have it both ways. Of course no players asked for a receipt. But that was out of fear, not because they were afraid of admitting their guilt. There was no doubt that they were participating in the games. The stacks of chips in front of them was proof enough.

It has to be one or the other. You cant just keep people's money if they did nothing wrong.

Not sure why youre taking such pleasure in this? Do you own stock in AC casinos?

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Participating in a raked game is illegal!

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Now who needs to stfu? If this were true, why was not a single player cited or charged?

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Because they would have been charged with non felony citations. This would cost the state large amounts of money to prosecute simple economics. So, if they all agree to hand over there information and leave quietly, they don’t charge anyone. Except of course the owners and dealers, because they are the big fish.

This has been the policy of the mayor and police commissioner for a very long time.

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Is participating in a raked game illegal? If so, why were no players charged? If it is, then the players should have been charged (not that I like this option). However, if the players were not charged, then keeping their money isnt right. You cant have it both ways. Of course no players asked for a receipt. But that was out of fear, not because they were afraid of admitting their guilt. There was no doubt that they were participating in the games. The stacks of chips in front of them was proof enough.

It has to be one or the other. You cant just keep people's money if they did nothing wrong.

Not sure why you’re taking such pleasure in this? Do you own stock in AC casinos?

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see other post.

And i wish poker would be legalized in nyc, however while it isn’t i don’t wanna hear some little turd (not you other poster and these protesters) blame the police. (and i dont own stock in nyc casino, but i wish i bought some in harrahs a few years back lol)

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The money was involved in illegal activity.

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One last time participating in a raked card game of any kind is illegal!!!!!!!!!! (in ny)

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You are wrong. Participating in a raked card game is no more illegal in New York than participating in an unraked poker game... now there could be an argument that both raked and unraked games are illegal, but the fact that the game is raked does not make the activity of the participants illegal. And why do you think that money "involved in illegal activity" is automatically subject to confiscation? Hint: It is not.


The facts don't change based on the number of exclamation points you can put at the end of the sentence.

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But no one has a receipt for the chips. And if they requested one they would have ended up in jail.

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I said that jail was a possibility -- it is not clear it would have happened and it shouldn't have happened because asking for a receipt for items taken by the police is not illegal -- that being said, I don't know if I would have had the balls to try it.

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All money was accounted for (from many personal accounts i have heard At least at players), and all money will go to the city.

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Now -- this makes absolutely no sense. The players were not permitted to stand over the police as they counted the money. How would they know if all the money was accounted for? Indeed, I am not suggesting that anyone took money they shouldn't have -- but the players would not know.

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Participating in a raked game is illegal!

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Now who needs to stfu? If this were true, why was not a single player cited or charged?

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Because they would have been charged with non felony citations. This would cost the state large amounts of money to prosecute simple economics. So, if they all agree to hand over there information and leave quietly, they don’t charge anyone.

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Wow. Based on your logic, the police would never issue a traffic summons -- that is basically what the players would have gotten (summons for loitering are the equivalent of traffic tickets).

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Except of course the owners and dealers, because they are the big fish.

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Actually, it is my understanding that the charges against the dealers were dropped... could you explain that in your economic theory?

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This has been the policy of the mayor and police commissioner for a very long time.

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What policy are you talking about?

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Actually, it is my understanding that the charges against the dealers were dropped... could you explain that in your economic theory?


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Last time I spoke with my insider friends, they have not been dropped yet but there is negotiations to do so. The ownership of the PS are cooperating and expect the whole matter to be settled without charges soon. They are good people, and are making sure their former staff are safe.

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Participating in a raked game is illegal! The money will go to the city. Thanks for the generous donation to nyc.

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In New York State, this statement is false. It is not illegal to gamble in New York State from a player's perspective. It is illegal to promote or "profit from" gambling. The definition of "profit from" in the statute specifically excludes players.

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You sound like a retired cop which explains why your knowledge of the law is so innacurate.