An Observation about Intelligent Design - Page 3

goofball · #21 07-04-2005, 07:47 PM

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Dov, I think it's possible that if God created the entire universe for man, not all of it was necessarily meant for us to visit. Afterall, couldn't he have made it in order for us to appreciate its beauty, not to travel to every corner of?

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We certainly would be able to greater appreciate it's beauty if we could.

I mean, there's so much going on in the universe that we can't see. Think about the number of beautiful phenomena we can see in the universe with telescopes as opposed to the naked eye. While a telescope artifically gets us clsoer to objects, it is only logical that if we could actually travel around the sheer number of phenomena to appreciate would be immense.

Triumph36 · #22 07-04-2005, 08:06 PM

Maybe the Universe is that big to show us that we don't have all the answers, and how insignifcant we truly are compared to our Creator.

It's an interesting flaw in intelligent design, but once you begin speculating about the possible flaws in what was God's will, counter-arguments are easy and inevitable.

Cooker · #23 07-04-2005, 09:26 PM

You would need to understand special relativity to really understand my point. A fairly good elementary text is Spacetime Physics by Taylor and Wheeler. The problem with most reasoning like this is that it blends Newtonian ideas with the special relativistic concept that the speed of light is constant in all frames and the maximum observable speed. Time and space actually transform into each other in SR such that the faster you travel, the shorter distances seem, thus you can reach places much quicker the closer to the speed of light you travel. In fact at the speed of light, you could instantly (as far as you are concerned) reach any place you like (but those you leave behind will see you move at the speed of light and take a long time to get there and return).

NotReady · #24 07-05-2005, 01:25 AM

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Doesn't it seem like an extraordinary 'design flaw' that in something the size of our physical universe the highest possible speed is the speed of light?

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God just can't please you, can he? 200 years ago you would have complained that the earth is too big, 200 years from now you would be complaining that it's too small. The so-called speed limitation is also just a theory. Again, 200 years ago you would have said heavier than air flight is impossible.

And finally, why can't God create something for no other reason than it's beautiful, even sublime? Why do we have to go there for it to have a purpose?

[censored] · #25 07-05-2005, 01:31 AM

Wacki, didn't you link to something awhile ago concerning teleportation at the atomic level. where basically the travel of something was instantanous?

BZ_Zorro · #26 07-05-2005, 01:42 AM

Intellient design aside, did you ever consider that maybe electromagnetism *has* to be this way for the universe to function/exist at all?

David Sklansky · #27 07-05-2005, 05:18 AM

"And finally, why can't God create something for no other reason than it's beautiful, even sublime? Why do we have to go there for it to have a purpose?"

Most of the universe is beyond the reach of any telescope. There are quadrillions of stars. Trillions should be plenty if you merely want to admire beauty. But the real point here is that the alternative explanation is so much less farfetched. The stars were destined to be created once the big bang happened and the laws of physics was set. Same with advanced life forms.

"The so-called speed limitation is also just a theory. Again, 200 years ago you would have said heavier than air flight is impossible."

This statement is beneath you. Heavier than air flight didn't violate Newton's laws. Your statement implies you fully expect, or at least would not be surprised, if we find a way to move mass faster than the speed of light.

Dov · #28 07-05-2005, 08:20 AM

Thanks,

I will try to check out a copy this week.

Dov · #29 07-05-2005, 08:22 AM

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Also, it might not be such a bad thing for us to be stuck close to home for quite a while. You don't want toddlers wandering around the city until they've grown up a little do you?

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If we're toddlers, what does the adult look like?

BTW, why not just create adults?

Dov · #30 07-05-2005, 08:24 AM

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Dov, I think it's possible that if God created the entire universe for man, not all of it was necessarily meant for us to visit. Afterall, couldn't he have made it in order for us to appreciate its beauty, not to travel to every corner of?

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This seems a little bit too weak to me. If this were actually stated in the bible, don't you think there would be quite a bit of discussion about this concept?

Creating an entire universe as 'Art' seems like overkill to me.