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06-26-2005, 12:42 PM
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Re: phil ivey just saying \"fug it\" to the wsop prelim events
Phil has already made it pretty clear that he's not interested in selling himself in endorsements other than Full Tilt. Why does this have to mean that he is a very poor business man?
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06-26-2005, 01:03 PM
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Re: phil ivey just saying \"fug it\" to the wsop prelim events
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This proves that Phil Ivey is a brilliant poker player, and very poor business man. A braclet is worth a hell of alot more money to an already famous, young, popular poker star than whatever he can make playing Doyle and Chip. I'm obviously only guessing, but Daniel Negreanu's poker related deals (Wynn, Stacked, etc) are probably worth more than a month at the big game. If we assume that he's not the biggest winner in that game (most poker players point to Chip Reese as the biggest winner in the big game), he's just making a bad decision here. If Ivey goes on a tear at the WSOP, winning one or two televised events, he'll earn a shitload of money, and I'm not talking about the prize money. The biggest money is in endorsement deals, sponsor, commercials, advertising campaigns, etc. Poker is coming out of it shell, the biggest explosion has yet to come. The Doyle group are a dying breed of brilliant, old school players, who missed the media franzy bus. Ivey, for some reason, is just refusing to get on it. [/ QUOTE ]ivey can make more than daniel in one week than wat daniel makes in a year probaly. and also ivey isn;t very marketable, he is happy with his deal with FTP FTP
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06-26-2005, 01:25 PM
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Re: phil ivey just saying \"fug it\" to the wsop prelim events
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[ QUOTE ] This proves that Phil Ivey is a brilliant poker player, and very poor business man. A braclet is worth a hell of alot more money to an already famous, young, popular poker star than whatever he can make playing Doyle and Chip. I'm obviously only guessing, but Daniel Negreanu's poker related deals (Wynn, Stacked, etc) are probably worth more than a month at the big game. If we assume that he's not the biggest winner in that game (most poker players point to Chip Reese as the biggest winner in the big game), he's just making a bad decision here. If Ivey goes on a tear at the WSOP, winning one or two televised events, he'll earn a shitload of money, and I'm not talking about the prize money. The biggest money is in endorsement deals, sponsor, commercials, advertising campaigns, etc. Poker is coming out of it shell, the biggest explosion has yet to come. The Doyle group are a dying breed of brilliant, old school players, who missed the media franzy bus. Ivey, for some reason, is just refusing to get on it. [/ QUOTE ]ivey can make more than daniel in one week than wat daniel makes in a year probaly. and also ivey isn;t very marketable, he is happy with his deal with FTP FTP [/ QUOTE ] No, he can't. That's absurd. The first poker superstar (there isn't one yet, Negreanu might get close, not yet) will be making tens of millions a year before he even step to the table. Yevgeni Kafelnikov, who you guys tagged as a "b-class celebrity" has made more in tennis winnings and endorsement deals than any poker player alive. You guys live in a fantasy world, if you think Ivey can make more money in the big game than in the global market. That's why he's a bad business man. I'm in no way trying to disrespect his poker game, I believe he's the best play in the world when you combine all around cash and tournament play.
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06-26-2005, 01:26 PM
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Re: phil ivey just saying \"fug it\" to the wsop prelim events
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Phil has already made it pretty clear that he's not interested in selling himself in endorsements other than Full Tilt. Why does this have to mean that he is a very poor business man? [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. I'm sure his deal with Full Tilt is really good. He makes plenty with that and through poker so he doesn't have to make himself look like an idiot... 
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06-26-2005, 01:28 PM
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Re: phil ivey just saying \"fug it\" to the wsop prelim events
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Phil has already made it pretty clear that he's not interested in selling himself in endorsements other than Full Tilt. Why does this have to mean that he is a very poor business man? [/ QUOTE ] Because he's not interested in selling himself. That makes him an island of sanity in the capitalist hell hole we live in, it also makes him a noble man, it might even make him a better poker player, but it sure does make him a bad business man. The answer is in the question. Business-wise, that's a poor decision.
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06-26-2005, 01:31 PM
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Re: phil ivey just saying \"fug it\" to the wsop prelim events
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] This proves that Phil Ivey is a brilliant poker player, and very poor business man. A braclet is worth a hell of alot more money to an already famous, young, popular poker star than whatever he can make playing Doyle and Chip. I'm obviously only guessing, but Daniel Negreanu's poker related deals (Wynn, Stacked, etc) are probably worth more than a month at the big game. If we assume that he's not the biggest winner in that game (most poker players point to Chip Reese as the biggest winner in the big game), he's just making a bad decision here. If Ivey goes on a tear at the WSOP, winning one or two televised events, he'll earn a shitload of money, and I'm not talking about the prize money. The biggest money is in endorsement deals, sponsor, commercials, advertising campaigns, etc. Poker is coming out of it shell, the biggest explosion has yet to come. The Doyle group are a dying breed of brilliant, old school players, who missed the media franzy bus. Ivey, for some reason, is just refusing to get on it. [/ QUOTE ]ivey can make more than daniel in one week than wat daniel makes in a year probaly. and also ivey isn;t very marketable, he is happy with his deal with FTP FTP [/ QUOTE ] No, he can't. That's absurd. The first poker superstar (there isn't one yet, Negreanu might get close, not yet) will be making tens of millions a year before he even step to the table. Yevgeni Kafelnikov, who you guys tagged as a "b-class celebrity" has made more in tennis winnings and endorsement deals than any poker player alive. You guys live in a fantasy world, if you think Ivey can make more money in the big game than in the global market. That's why he's a bad business man. I'm in no way trying to disrespect his poker game, I believe he's the best play in the world when you combine all around cash and tournament play. [/ QUOTE ]phil can definately make more playing poker, doesn;t mean hes a bad business man, im sure he has some sort of savings account or something to fall back on. I dont think he has to have his hands in every business and endorsement to be a goood business man
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06-26-2005, 01:35 PM
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Re: phil ivey just saying \"fug it\" to the wsop prelim events
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This proves that Phil Ivey is a brilliant poker player, and very poor business man. A braclet is worth a hell of alot more money to an already famous, young, popular poker star than whatever he can make playing Doyle and Chip. I'm obviously only guessing, but Daniel Negreanu's poker related deals (Wynn, Stacked, etc) are probably worth more than a month at the big game. If we assume that he's not the biggest winner in that game (most poker players point to Chip Reese as the biggest winner in the big game), he's just making a bad decision here. If Ivey goes on a tear at the WSOP, winning one or two televised events, he'll earn a shitload of money, and I'm not talking about the prize money. The biggest money is in endorsement deals, sponsor, commercials, advertising campaigns, etc. Poker is coming out of it shell, the biggest explosion has yet to come. The Doyle group are a dying breed of brilliant, old school players, who missed the media franzy bus. Ivey, for some reason, is just refusing to get on it. [/ QUOTE ] Most of what you said here is incorrect.
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06-26-2005, 01:37 PM
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Re: phil ivey just saying \"fug it\" to the wsop prelim events
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[ QUOTE ] This proves that Phil Ivey is a brilliant poker player, and very poor business man. A braclet is worth a hell of alot more money to an already famous, young, popular poker star than whatever he can make playing Doyle and Chip. I'm obviously only guessing, but Daniel Negreanu's poker related deals (Wynn, Stacked, etc) are probably worth more than a month at the big game. If we assume that he's not the biggest winner in that game (most poker players point to Chip Reese as the biggest winner in the big game), he's just making a bad decision here. If Ivey goes on a tear at the WSOP, winning one or two televised events, he'll earn a shitload of money, and I'm not talking about the prize money. The biggest money is in endorsement deals, sponsor, commercials, advertising campaigns, etc. Poker is coming out of it shell, the biggest explosion has yet to come. The Doyle group are a dying breed of brilliant, old school players, who missed the media franzy bus. Ivey, for some reason, is just refusing to get on it. [/ QUOTE ]ivey can make more than daniel in one week than wat daniel makes in a year probaly. and also ivey isn;t very marketable, he is happy with his deal with FTP FTP [/ QUOTE ] Once again, you don't know what you are talking about. This forum is fun. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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06-26-2005, 01:45 PM
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Re: phil ivey just saying \"fug it\" to the wsop prelim events
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] This proves that Phil Ivey is a brilliant poker player, and very poor business man. A braclet is worth a hell of alot more money to an already famous, young, popular poker star than whatever he can make playing Doyle and Chip. I'm obviously only guessing, but Daniel Negreanu's poker related deals (Wynn, Stacked, etc) are probably worth more than a month at the big game. If we assume that he's not the biggest winner in that game (most poker players point to Chip Reese as the biggest winner in the big game), he's just making a bad decision here. If Ivey goes on a tear at the WSOP, winning one or two televised events, he'll earn a shitload of money, and I'm not talking about the prize money. The biggest money is in endorsement deals, sponsor, commercials, advertising campaigns, etc. Poker is coming out of it shell, the biggest explosion has yet to come. The Doyle group are a dying breed of brilliant, old school players, who missed the media franzy bus. Ivey, for some reason, is just refusing to get on it. [/ QUOTE ]ivey can make more than daniel in one week than wat daniel makes in a year probaly. and also ivey isn;t very marketable, he is happy with his deal with FTP FTP [/ QUOTE ] Once again, you don't know what you are talking about. This forum is fun. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ]maybe a week is a bit of a exaggeration but i think its possible in a month maybe
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06-26-2005, 01:51 PM
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Re: phil ivey just saying \"fug it\" to the wsop prelim events
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[ QUOTE ] This proves that Phil Ivey is a brilliant poker player, and very poor business man. A braclet is worth a hell of alot more money to an already famous, young, popular poker star than whatever he can make playing Doyle and Chip. I'm obviously only guessing, but Daniel Negreanu's poker related deals (Wynn, Stacked, etc) are probably worth more than a month at the big game. If we assume that he's not the biggest winner in that game (most poker players point to Chip Reese as the biggest winner in the big game), he's just making a bad decision here. If Ivey goes on a tear at the WSOP, winning one or two televised events, he'll earn a shitload of money, and I'm not talking about the prize money. The biggest money is in endorsement deals, sponsor, commercials, advertising campaigns, etc. Poker is coming out of it shell, the biggest explosion has yet to come. The Doyle group are a dying breed of brilliant, old school players, who missed the media franzy bus. Ivey, for some reason, is just refusing to get on it. [/ QUOTE ] Most of what you said here is incorrect. [/ QUOTE ] You must have been captain of the debate team at your community college. Well argued.
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