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Old 06-20-2005, 05:00 PM
octaveshift octaveshift is offline
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Default Re: set of aces, 4 straight on board.

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Anyone who says I need to protect my hand is too paranoid.

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Old 06-20-2005, 05:05 PM
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Default Re: set of aces, 4 straight on board.

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Anyone who says I need to protect my hand is too paranoid.

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And people with a cunning way to extract chips by slowplaying are the first ones to go from the tables I play at. They often seem to think they got unlucky, judging by their chat.
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Old 06-20-2005, 05:07 PM
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Default Re: set of aces, 4 straight on board.

You're thinking about it the wrong way. Mine and the rest of this board's line - you win 1800 chips on the flop or get the rest of your chips in while ahead. By letting him draw you allow yourself to make "HUGE FOLDS" or draw out on you.

Let him make the big mistake. And reread chapter 9 in Theory of Poker.
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Old 06-20-2005, 05:08 PM
adanthar adanthar is offline
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Default Re: set of aces, 4 straight on board.

Slowplaying's great on an AQJ flop in theory, but the thing about betting half the pot on a board like this after min-reraising is that any jackass can now put you on AA or 2 pair and play accordingly, ie, fold.

Therefore, just push, since anything that calls half the pot on a regular basis will put you on KK and call anyway.
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Old 06-20-2005, 05:17 PM
chopchoi chopchoi is offline
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Default Re: set of aces, 4 straight on board.

I started a new thread on the push/fold question, titled "Do I need to protect my hand?"
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Old 06-20-2005, 05:33 PM
KingMedicine KingMedicine is offline
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Default Re: set of aces, 4 straight on board.

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Looks like it may be a blocking bet by two pair, lower set. I think you are definitely good more than 1/6th of the time. Barring a great read on the player, I make a crying call.

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perfect explanation of why you call here. if im the opponent and have A10, i bet the turn and river just as your opponent did.
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Old 06-20-2005, 07:18 PM
lastchance lastchance is offline
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Default Re: set of aces, 4 straight on board.

Um... If I have AT, I don't see the turn. Just poosh it.

Shove it in, because you're going to want this huge pot, and you don't really care if you're getting called considering the money already in the middle.
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Old 06-20-2005, 07:31 PM
Jay36489 Jay36489 is offline
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Default Re: set of aces, 4 straight on board.

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I don't want to be rude, and I appreciate everyones advice, but many of you are not answering my question. I did not ask if I should have pushed the flop, I asked if I should call the river. It's not just this post either. Often, when I read threds that other people have started, I notcie that those who reply do not answer the question that was asked.

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Well when you post a hand it is implied you want people to analyze the whole hand. As others have said, you screwed yourself earlier on, but you have to call this river. I see him min betting a turned trips or 2pr, but not betting more because he is afraid of the straight himself. Unfortunately he may also play the same way if he has a K...
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Old 06-20-2005, 08:13 PM
nokona13 nokona13 is offline
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Default Re: set of aces, 4 straight on board.

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This is wrong. The bet is 600 and you're getting almost 10:1, and opponent could still have QQ, JJ, AQ, maybe QJs or JTs... OP shouldn't be in this spot, but since he is, hero calls...

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I suppose for $600 more he should call, but in my observation when a player calls big bets then a card comes and he starts betting he almost always made his hand.

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This is often true, but check-call, bet, bet could easily be a donk slowplaying QQ or JJ (kind of the donk version of lead, check-raise, lead with a set), or hitting AT two pair on the turn.
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Old 06-20-2005, 08:18 PM
durron597 durron597 is offline
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Default Re: set of aces, 4 straight on board.

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Um... If I have AT, I don't see the turn. Just poosh it.

Shove it in, because you're going to want this huge pot, and you don't really care if you're getting called considering the money already in the middle.

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What do you do if you have QT?
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