So if Jeter is "Mr. Clutch"? - Page 3

sublime · #21 06-19-2005, 07:23 PM

at least they are honest about it, two retards.

Jack of Arcades · #22 06-19-2005, 08:00 PM

Buck was being sarcastic.

sublime · #23 06-19-2005, 08:24 PM

hes a clown and they both hand out blow jobs to him whenever he is up at plate or makes a non routine play in the field. the guy is a good player who happened to be on great teams. like somebody pointed out before, bernie was probably more valuable to them during the WS stretch.

contentless · #24 06-20-2005, 10:46 AM

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His point is that "clutch" is undefinable in statistics.

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That is, of course, false. If someone can identify 'clutch', then obviously it's identifiable, just that the science of baseball statistics haven't advanced far enough to gauge this factor yet.

I personally have a theory about Jeter's clutchness that's been echoed by a few people around here. I can give you a sneak preview: It begins with 'great spin' and ends with 'moves'.

Edit: By the way, over his career...

Total (5775 AB): .314/.385/.462
None On (3399 AB): .313/.380/.477
Runners On (2376 AB): .315/.393/.439
In Scoring Position (1345 AB): .300/.395/.422
Bases Loaded (136 AB): .338/.381/.426

So incredibly 'meh'. At least he's better at working a walk with runners in scoring position... ???

In comparison, I pulled up Manny's numbers (who is tied with the Cap'n at this point with a .314 career BA):

Total (5807 AB): .314/.409/.595
None On (2986 AB): .297/.382/.572
Runners On (2821 AB): .331/.434/.620
In Scoring Position (1670 AB): .331/.452/.611
Bases Loaded (173 AB): .347/.386/.763

I've never done this, but nh.

Jack of Arcades · #25 06-20-2005, 05:38 PM

With RISP, singles hitters like Jeter tend to play above expectations while power hitters like, say, Adam Dunn, tend to perform below expecations. What usually ahppens is, for the slugger, BA and SLG goes down while OBP goes up (IE, it seems obvious they're being pitched around).

Perhaps guys like Jeter (or Boggs, or Gwynn, they were the best at this) are getting better pitches to hit.

By the way, if you give an acceptable definition of clutch, it definitely can be measured. Look for articles on clutch hitting by Andy Dolphin and Tango Tiger.