Changes that Need to be Made in No Limit

[DoomSlice]

The only one I agree with is the slowplay more one. You certainly want to give someone a chance to hit two pair when you have a set. It seems that many people automatically assume that when you hit a big hand someone else ALWAYS is drawing very live against you, which is often not the case.

[jkkkk]

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The only one I agree with is the slowplay more one. You certainly want to give someone a chance to hit two pair when you have a set. It seems that many people automatically assume that when you hit a big hand someone else ALWAYS is drawing very live against you, which is often not the case.

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This is just plain bad advice.

[DaveduFresne]

Ok, care to elaborate?

[DoomSlice]

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This is just plain bad advice.

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You're just plain wrong about this one.

[Sephus]

this thread sucks, lets let it die.

[jkkkk]

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With deep stacks, how else do you want to get in on the river?

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Slowplay more. If you like being sucked out on

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and these are just 2 reasons that have already been mentioned.

the two biggest reasons i don't like slow playing are..

1. someone will outdraw you

2. you are leaving money on the table


don't misunderstand me, slowplaying monsters on a drawless board is fine imo, or slowplaying quads on a draw heavy board but those are obvious exceptions to the rule.

[unlucky513]

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This is just plain bad advice.

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You're just plain wrong about this one.

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sure guy, you're right. slowplaying rocks!!

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">SB ($78.05)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($64.70)</font>
UTG ($97.25)
MP ($44.35)
Button ($25.95)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($3) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2</font>, UTG folds, SB calls $2.

Turn: ($7) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, SB calls $7.

River: ($21) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $20</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $40</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $54.7</font>, SB calls $14.70.

Final Pot: $130.40

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has 3h Qh (flush, queen high).
Hero has Jc Ad (full house, jacks full of aces).
Outcome: Hero wins $130.40. </font>

[DaveduFresne]

Don't be so results oriented. In one hand where you had like a 5% chance of winning you happened to draw out.

I disagree with villains play on the turn (not raising) and also calling the overbet on the river, but it doesn't mean that he had to bet out on the flop.

Basically that hand was a good slowplay gone bad.

David

[xorbie]

No, on that hand he makes the classic mistake of not putting money in on the turn. Now it's completely possible that hero on that hand is terrible and will push the turn with UI two pair, but most good players will check behind or make a very small value bet and fold to a large raise. So you are winning very little (and possibly nothing) by letting hero see a river for free and losing your stack when he does hit his four outer (which is actually 12:1).

That's just a terrible slowplay. And check/raising that river is particularly terrible.

[BZ_Zorro]

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Basically that hand was a good slowplay gone bad.

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That was a bad slowplay gone bad. There's a flush draw out there, and he's not charging Hero anything for a 7 outer draw (assuming Ah or Kh). Ah-X, KhJ is very likely on the flop. Ah-X is almost certain on the turn. Villain doesn't charge a cent on the flop or turn, and the line screams slow play on the river to any decent player.


It's results oriented to think that Hero only had a 5% chance of winning.

BTW the other problem with slow playing is that when your opponent does draw out on you, you have absolutely no idea of where you stand, and you'll probably lose your whole stack just like Villain.