a vegas single table hand - Page 3

schwza · #21 06-07-2005, 02:16 PM

i'd muck pre-flop, but maybe b/c it's because i'm a coward. i like your line after that if you check/call the river. also i'd be check/folding the turn if he bets.

schwza · #22 06-07-2005, 02:18 PM

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There is some chance villain has some weak ace here or K

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how many weak A's or K's do you think villain cold-calls a utg raise with?

AceHiStation · #23 06-07-2005, 02:21 PM

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Am I the only one here who doesn't like playing AJo UTG?

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No. But he wasn't asking about his preflop play. That's an automuck for me preflop.

PrayingMantis · #24 06-07-2005, 02:25 PM

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how many weak A's or K's do you think villain cold-calls a utg raise with?

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Well, I haven't played these SNGs in Vegas, but I played similar live ones that they spread around EPT events (especially in France and Monte Carlo, where SNGs was the only poker allowed outside of the MTTs). This, plus my normal online expirience, tells me that there are quite a lot of players who are able to cold-call an UTG's raise PF with Axs, and even non suited aces and some Kx, if they have the button.

Tyler Durden · #25 06-07-2005, 02:29 PM

I'd fold AJ utg on the first hand for sure. Unless play tightens up a lot I'm folding this almost all of the time.

SossMan · #26 06-07-2005, 02:36 PM

i thought about a preflop fold. I wouldn't try to argue someone out of it, but i hardly think that it should be standard, especially when you will routinely see people calling raises and going to the felt one top pair w/ JT, QJ, and KJ and AT.

schwza · #27 06-07-2005, 02:37 PM

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how many weak A's or K's do you think villain cold-calls a utg raise with?

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Well, I haven't played these SNGs in Vegas, but I played similar live ones that they spread around EPT events (especially in France and Monte Carlo, where SNGs was the only poker allowed outside of the MTTs). This, plus my normal online expirience, tells me that there are quite a lot of players who are able to cold-call an UTG's raise PF with Axs, and even non suited aces and some Kx, if they have the button.

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do you mean that the tricky/good players play like that or that there are a bunch of donks?

PrayingMantis · #28 06-07-2005, 02:44 PM

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how many weak A's or K's do you think villain cold-calls a utg raise with?

[/ QUOTE ] Well, I haven't played these SNGs in Vegas, but I played similar live ones that they spread around EPT events (especially in France and Monte Carlo, where SNGs was the only poker allowed outside of the MTTs). This, plus my normal online expirience, tells me that there are quite a lot of players who are able to cold-call an UTG's raise PF with Axs, and even non suited aces and some Kx, if they have the button.

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That's a tough question, because tricky/good players and donks sometimes make the same moves (specifically PF) for very different reasons and with different plans in mind. I'd say that it's 75% donks, 25% tricky/good, but that's a very rough estimation.

Lloyd · #29 06-07-2005, 02:49 PM

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how many weak A's or K's do you think villain cold-calls a utg raise with?

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Well, I haven't played these SNGs in Vegas, but I played similar live ones that they spread around EPT events (especially in France and Monte Carlo, where SNGs was the only poker allowed outside of the MTTs). This, plus my normal online expirience, tells me that there are quite a lot of players who are able to cold-call an UTG's raise PF with Axs, and even non suited aces and some Kx, if they have the button.

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do you mean that the tricky/good players play like that or that there are a bunch of donks?

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I don't know how Sossman or others feel, but frankly I thought the level of play in the 1-table satellites was at best equal to like a $109 Party SNG and perhaps even worse. So people really do call raises with dominated hands.

durron597 · #30 06-07-2005, 02:51 PM

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i thought about a preflop fold. I wouldn't try to argue someone out of it, but i hardly think that it should be standard, especially when you will routinely see people calling raises and going to the felt one top pair w/ JT, QJ, and KJ and AT.

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Well, I wouldn't expect that at the first hand of a $525 buyin but what do I know.

Given that you got to the flop, I like you line because I don't really want to build a pot if I can help it. Since I would tend to have respect for the players at a $525, I wouldn't put it past them to bluff-raise a scare card like a third club so I would check-call up to pot sized bet the river.