A nice twist

[Clarkmeister]

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"They have garbage. Duh."

if button's hand range is so wide (J9s? really? and he's good?) then why not just 3 bet since your hand is clearly best.

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I thought about it. I would've if suited.

Raising 3 retards from the button with J9s is hardly a bad play mike.

[Clarkmeister]

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gabe just said he folds

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Gabe lies. But that's ok.

[mike l.]

"Gabe lies."

yeah i know that's why i specifically didnt tell him "clark just posted that it's right to call w/ KQo in the sb blah blah blah" because then he wouldve definitely said "oh yeah that's an easy call".

[mike l.]

"Raising 3 retards from the button with J9s is hardly a bad play mike."

i, like most players here, am an intermediate player. i need to be encouraged to not play, let alone raise with, J9s. ever. or play KQo from the sb for a raise.

[rory]

I never, ever thought I would say this:

mike, you play too tight. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[mikelow]

But you can fold on the turn. The ace is just a bad card for you.

[Nightwish]

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wow i fold that preflop every time and i dont think it's close. i hate being out of position in big pots with unsuited big cards, liable to be dominated. i think it's a clearcut -EV and things only get worse when the board comes as it did, the pot gets big and youre tested on the turn. and im not being results oriented, gabe and i were just joking around last night on the phone about this exact sort of thing, how errors compound.


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This may be the first time I find myself agreeing with mike l. Ever.

I think Mike's point about compounding errors is spot on. The preflop call may be only a little -EV, but it creates a whole bunch of marginal situations on later streets.

[PokerPrince]

You couldn't fold a freshly dried tshirt. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

PokerPrince

[SinCityGuy]

Easy preflop fold here.

[golferbrent]

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I'd have folded pre-flop.


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No can do in this spot. He's raising in that spot with lots of hands that are dominated by KQ. Plus I get the ole discount to call. On the button I'd consider 3-betting.

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I agree with Clark on this... the button can have a lot of hands in this spot. I believe K-Q is definitely a call from SB and definitely a possible 3-bet from the button. I think everybody is overestimating the holdings of the C/O. Worry too much.

On the turn, I can think of no worse card to create problems for you. The biggest hand you have to worry about is A-Q. Unfortunately, you have to call on the turn and hope for a non-spade that improves you.

The pot is giving enough of an overlay... that I think a fold is definitely incorrect... unless you have a very strong read on the strong player. I wouldn't worry about the donkeys in the hand. At this point they are irrelevant until they come alive if the spade hits.