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05-24-2005, 01:11 PM
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Re: A decision I have to make with what seems like nearly every set I hit
I think it's very relevant. It means that raising the flop might be pumping somebody else's flush draw for them. OTOH, if somebody else raises (pumping their own draw) then you can go nuts and charge them for their insolence. Or, with no flop raise, punish them on the turn when the bets are doubled.
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#23
05-24-2005, 01:13 PM
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Re: A decision I have to make with what seems like nearly every set I hit
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Raise. UTG's most likely got TP?K, J8, flush draw, raise to protect. [/ QUOTE ] The only one you're really worried about here is the flush draw, and raising the flop doesn't protect you against it.
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05-24-2005, 01:14 PM
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Re: A decision I have to make with what seems like nearly every set I
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[ QUOTE ] *Grunching* Raise and hope there's a flush draw out there. UTG has something so he will very likely pay you off to the river. I'd be satisfied with that. olavfo [/ QUOTE ] How is waiting till the turn bad if there is a flush draw out? Krishan [/ QUOTE ] He won't have the odds to draw if raised, it's -EV for him to call.
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#25
05-24-2005, 01:15 PM
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Re: A decision I have to make with what seems like nearly every set I
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] *Grunching* Raise and hope there's a flush draw out there. UTG has something so he will very likely pay you off to the river. I'd be satisfied with that. olavfo [/ QUOTE ] How is waiting till the turn bad if there is a flush draw out? Krishan [/ QUOTE ] Did I say it was? I would still raise on the flop though, to cut down the pot odds for all kinds of other weak drawing hands. I can't be sure I'll get a chance to raise on the turn, so I do it now. olavfo [/ QUOTE ] Gee... I'd really hate for that bottom pair to pick up two pair or trips on the turn in a 6 SB pot. What a disaster.
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#26
05-24-2005, 01:16 PM
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Re: A decision I have to make with what seems like nearly every set I hit
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Edit: didn't read the 2nd post. Raise the flop. [/ QUOTE ] OP's second post shouldn't affect how you think about the hand. He gave you all the information you needed in the first one.
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#27
05-24-2005, 01:16 PM
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Re: A decision I have to make with what seems like nearly every set I
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I would still raise on the flop though, to cut down the pot odds for all kinds of other weak drawing hands. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not arguing about whether to raise the flop, but we're not doing it to chase out weak drawing hands -- it is more of a raise for value, right? If the strong drawing hands would fold incorrectly, that also wouldn't be a bad thing.
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#28
05-24-2005, 01:18 PM
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Re: A decision I have to make with what seems like nearly every set I hit
Grunching here:
I would definitely bet hoping to push out the drawing hand and continue to hammer it unless a 4th [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] falls on the river. Isn't there an old saying that if you lose with a set and don't lose a lot of $, then you didn't play it right? With no read I am willing to guess he has KJ or AJ.
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#30
05-24-2005, 01:27 PM
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Re: A decision I have to make with what seems like nearly every set I
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He won't have the odds to draw if raised, it's -EV for him to call. [/ QUOTE ] 9 cards, twice, makes him a 2-1 dog to make his hand by the river, and raising only makes the pot odds 4-1. Yeah, it's +EV to make that call.
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