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Old 05-02-2005, 12:23 AM
Alobar Alobar is offline
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Default Re: Ace High Calldown

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the only hands you beat:
A8
A6
A4
A3

his play looks a lot like a Q or weak K

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Was there a plan of action among all that analysis? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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check-fold river?

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yeah, thats what I thought u were getting at. I just wanted to make sure (read: give you crap) before I agreed with you. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 05-02-2005, 12:28 AM
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Default Re: Ace High Calldown

The pot is 4.5 BB, so risk 1 BB to win 4.5 BB there if he folds (no redraws really, and if he wants to he can push me off the hand). If he has a pocket pair he'll call me down and if he has a king or a queen he calls me down. Not too many hands I can make him fold, T8 87, and then hands like J9 or 9t he might fold but since he is LAG he might call and take it on the river or he might raise turn.

Leaning towards a fold...
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Old 05-02-2005, 12:28 AM
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Default Re: Ace High Calldown

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Ok, Ill say Villain is more likely to have a pair than a draw. But not 7.5x as likely.


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yeah you're right. it's more like 10-15
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Old 05-02-2005, 12:38 AM
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Default Re: Ace High Calldown

IMO folding on the river without knowing you are clearly beat for 1 more bet is a large leak in a lot of peoples games. On this board you are not clearly beat. I really find it hard to believe A hi bets this river and Im almost sure a K raises somewhere. So he probably has either a q or a bluff the vast majority of the time.

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Old 05-02-2005, 12:44 AM
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IMO folding on the river without knowing you are clearly beat for 1 more bet is a large leak in a lot of peoples games. On this board you are not clearly beat. I really find it hard to believe A hi bets this river and Im almost sure a K raises somewhere. So he probably has either a q or a bluff the vast majority of the time.


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not listening to peoples' points, and arguing the same things over and over is a leak in your posting

not calling down enough is NOT a leak of mine. I call down too much. and I want to fold here.
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Old 05-02-2005, 12:48 AM
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You think he will check JT or a diamond draw behind ?
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Old 05-02-2005, 12:48 AM
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You think he will check JT or a diamond draw behind ?

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I think he puts more bets in earlier with those hands.
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Old 05-02-2005, 12:51 AM
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I´m not sure really, as it will be hard for him to fold A-high or pairs on this board, as the draws are pretty obvious. There is also a pretty good chance that he will be reraised, so it will cost him more to draw if he decides to semibluff.
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Old 05-02-2005, 01:16 AM
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Default Re: Ace High Calldown

trix, he is a LAG though, also good chance he at least raises flop for free card
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Old 05-02-2005, 02:05 AM
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Default Re: Ace High Calldown

Given that villain is in position I'm with sthief on this one - we'd have heard from diamonds or TJ on the flop.

Villain doesn't seem to love his hand, but he's trying to get it to showdown. I would check-fold the river as well...

I would consider a call but there are so few hands that he could hold by the river that I beat - a stone cold bluff, sure, but even then there are only a few A-high hands left, and anything else he would have folded or raised earlier in the hand.

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