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Old 04-28-2005, 07:05 PM
colgin colgin is offline
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Default Re: Annoyed with AK, so trying not to spew more bets than necessary.

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If there is one thing I can say with absolute certainty, it is this:

Calling the flop is a terrible play.

The end.

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Wow, that's so illuminating. Care to elaborate.
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Old 04-28-2005, 07:09 PM
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Default Re: Annoyed with AK, so trying not to spew more bets than necessary.

what are you trying to accomplish with the flop raise?
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Old 04-28-2005, 07:09 PM
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Default Re: Annoyed with AK, so trying not to spew more bets than necessary.

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I agree that getting 3-bet does suck, but if you call the flop, are you going to call?

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I assume you mean are you then going to call on the turn. I guess it depends, but if Button calls behind you and a total blank falls (neither A nor K nor [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]) and villain fires out again on the turn, can't you fold with a pretty clean conscience?
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Old 04-28-2005, 07:47 PM
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Default Re: Annoyed with AK, so trying not to spew more bets than necessary.

I was going to respond but it is silly. Anyone who wants to tell me what a call accomplishes here can go ahead and do it. I promise to read. So far not a single good argument has been made for calling. Calling is the worst form of chip spewing in this hand.
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Old 04-28-2005, 07:48 PM
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Default Re: Annoyed with AK, so trying not to spew more bets than necessary.

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I was going to respond but it is silly. Anyone who wants to tell me what a call accomplishes here can go ahead and do it. I promise to read. So far not a single good argument has been made for calling. Calling is the worst form of chip spewing in this hand.

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good one.

-SmileyEH
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Old 04-28-2005, 08:22 PM
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Default Re: Annoyed with AK, so trying not to spew more bets than necessary.

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Raising does NOT improve your situation in any way. You call this flop, if you hit an ace or a king you raise. If it completes a four flush you fold to a 3bet otherwise call 3bets down. This hand is very simple.

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Old 04-28-2005, 08:39 PM
CallMeIshmael CallMeIshmael is offline
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Default Re: Annoyed with AK, so trying not to spew more bets than necessary.

I see no reason to raise that flop.
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Old 04-28-2005, 09:07 PM
Chris Dow Chris Dow is offline
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Default Re: Annoyed with AK, so trying not to spew more bets than necessary.

I am not supporting raise as the best play. I am supporting call as the worst.
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Old 04-28-2005, 09:12 PM
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Default Re: Annoyed with AK, so trying not to spew more bets than necessary.

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I am not supporting raise as the best play. I am supporting call as the worst.

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Would you mind explaining, in lurid detail, your thoughts on:

1. Raising
2. Calling
3. Folding

this flop in this spot. Perhaps then we can get somewhere.

brett
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Old 04-28-2005, 09:12 PM
SmileyEH SmileyEH is offline
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Default Re: Annoyed with AK, so trying not to spew more bets than necessary.

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I am not supporting raise as the best play. I am supporting call as the worst.

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Ok we give up. You're the best.

-SmileyEH
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