Have I been wrong in calculating my outs.....

[Mike Haven]

ok - i take the point - thank you

however, i am still reluctant to accede that it is a raise for value with only two opponents, (mathematically: because of the change in size of bets from small bets to big bets), which is what started me off in the first place

cheers

[SNOWBALL138]

if you win a bet more than 1/3 of the time versus two players who are putting in even money, you are making a profit.

[SNOWBALL138]

you aren't getting 3 to 1 on a bet or a raise in a 3 way pot. You are getting 2 to 1.

In the hand you described, raising might be a bad play b/c you could lose the first bettor.

[Mike Haven]

you aren't getting 3 to 1 on a bet or a raise in a 3 way pot. You are getting 2 to 1.

I wrote:

"so let's say it's a 10-20 game and three of us are in for the flop = 30 pot

one bets 10, the other raises to 20 - if i get it right you say we should raise to 30 for value as we are getting 3 to 1 on 20, much better than 1.8 to 1, = 120 pot"

At the time of our bet there is 30+10+20 = 60 in the pot, which is 3 to 1 for our required 20.

In the hand you described, raising might be a bad play b/c you could lose the first bettor.

If we reraise and are called only by the raiser we are still getting 30+10+20+10 = 70 to 30 or 2.3 to 1 for our money, better than the less than 1.8 to 1 we need to complete a flush with two cards to come.