Wilson Type Software

[Trainwreck]

I own both, and like I said, Poker Academy Pro is much much much better IMHO.

Wilson's latest version is what 3 or 4 years old? What does that tell you?

Too many people here are obsessed with stats, I am not one of them.

PAP is extremely powerful, quit farting around and just buy it.

>TW<

[Lottery Larry]

Give us a real review when you've tried it out!

[krabby5]

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What are people's opinions on the best wilson turbo type software. I am planning on buying something to practice without playing online and I am curious as to what the best programs are, if not wilson. Any opinions are greatly appreciated

Thanks

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I have the tournament hold em one...not worth the cash

It is too easy to beat...I used to travel on audits a lot 2 years ago and I would bring this with....One night I won the WSOP format on medium difficulty...the VERY next night I won the same format on difficult setting...I'm guessing that of the 20 or so times I played the WSOP format, I won 4 times...

I didn't even play poker for real money 2 years ago..

Maybe I should turn pro?

I can't comment on the cash game version, though

[whitewidow]

Hi

Take the money for these programs.
Deposit it in a site play and play against real people.

peace out

[Jarco]

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Is there anyone out there who actually owns both Wilson and Poki?

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I actually own both Turbo Texas Hold'em by Wilson and Poker Academy Pro by BioTools...

My opinion of them both is that they are both different and they really can't be compared... apples and oranges...

Turbo Texas Hold'em has a simple look, but is configurable. I mean, in TTH, you can configure bet structure, blind structure, set rake, dealer tip, etc., all things important when playing in a casino. With TTH, you can also config a custom player to your playing style (opening hands, flop play, etc.) and run them in a high-speed sim to see how your style would hold up. Also, it has an advisor if you need it.
The drawbacks to the game is that it is limit only and the opponents don't have AI, if that really makes a difference.

Poker Academy Pro also has a lot of things going for it. First, it has Limit, No Limit, and Tournaments (albeit single table tourneys). It looks a lot better than Wilson's program, which is a plus if you're buying it for looks. It can keep a huge hand history, which a person can come back to to look and see where things went right (or wrong, in most cases) and learn from it. Also, in Limit, the bots that I have played against have proved difficult. Definitely a difference from Wilson. The drawbacks to this program is that you can't set a rake, can't configure the blinds, and really can't configure the betting structure like you can in Wilson's TTH. The last issue I have with PAP is this...

This is one of the Hand Histories from the program.

Look for the player with Aces and look at his action.

Poker Academy Pro #2991 [No Limit Table 4]
Apr 8, 2005 4:36:24 AM

1) Jarco * $4910 Js Jc
2) Strongbad $1885 7d 9d
3) Suricata $72 As Ah
4) Winston $1665 4c 3c
5) Enoch (sitting out)
6) Chuck Reese $540 Qc 2d
7) Al Inne (sitting out)
8) Nervous Ned (sitting out)
9) Yatima $928 Kd 3s
10) Trogdor (sitting out)

Strongbad posts $30 small blind
Suricata posts $60 big blind
Winston raises $187
Chuck Reese folds
Yatima folds
Jarco folds
Strongbad folds
Suricata folds

Winston wins $150 uncontested.


Anyway, both programs are different... I didn't list all of the features of both programs, I just listed the ones that are important to me. I don't know yet if either is worth the price (>$90 for each) especially for such small programs (<30MB for each) but I already bought them, so I'm gonna use them.


I hope this helps anyone who is considering buying either of these progs...

[ILoveShowGirls]

Ok I'm new here, but I do post over at BJ21.com from time to time, and I have looked a friends copy of Wilson and have PA pro. I am not shilling for either.

Both are good pieces of software and can be used to simulate whatever type of game you prefer, here are my opinions on them both:

Wilson TTH v5

Negatives:

Old looking graphics, (look better on Win2k than on XP for some reason ...)
Win 95 style full screen interface
Odd user interface.
Can't get Sidewinder Sid demo to work on XP, just crashes all the time.
You have to ask advisor to give advice.
If you want tournament or no/pot limit game, you have to buy a seperate piece of software.

Positives:

Advisor advice is generally tight agressive and will win money overall.
Easy to beat Mike the advisor in a challenge [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
Play is very rapid.
Table can be configured in any way you like, if you want a table full of the hardest bots then knock yourself out.
Rake is simulated, which imho is very important for ring table players.

and so onto ...

Poker Academy Pro.

Negatives:
No manual
No tutorial
No explanation of how best to set up bots
Does not simulate rake at all.
Limitations on table set up.
Not as fast as Wilson
Bots play poorly on no limit and pot limit games
Not sure about the vaunted 'vexbot' I seem able to beat it consistently at limit heads up.
Multi table tournaments and satts not included.
Calculates stats in small bets per hour/100 rather than BB (ok not terribly bad but an unchangable annoyance imho.)

Positives:
Bots are very configurable once you know how.
multiple default tables provide some challenge before you get into custom tables and bots.
Very nice modern interface, with an almost party poker feel.
Pot and no limit games included as standard
Any table can be changed into a tournament table at any time.

Once you have figured out how to configure the bots, and it took me about an hour or so of browsing their forums, then you can get some really tough games out of PA pro, but its default settings are not much of a challenge imho.

The rake thing is an annoyance too, after all we can all be winners if we dont have to pay the rake, even the stoniest of rocks can profit at limit on the PA pro tables, so not a very accurate sim unless you happen to be a prop and get 100% rebate on your rake.

Overall from what I've seen, and hands up, I have only played a thousand or so hands on Wilson, but over 20,000 on Poker Academy, I would say Wilson edges it due to its accuracy at limit ring.
Having not seen Wilson's tournament version I can't comment on how good it is, but it's feature list is superior to PA pro, multi tables Satts, rebuys etc.

I would say that if $100 is all you had to spend, then you should not do what I did, and buy PA pro, you should instead buy TTHv5 and save up for the tournament game and sidewinder sid (if it will work on your OS) with your winnings. I know it is next on my shopping list.

Nb. I do hear on the PA forums that they are updating PA in the next 4-6 months and hope to add rake and multi tables etc. as the update should only cost me $20-30 I will post an update when I have played it.

Thank you for reading.

John H.

[barongreenback]

Thanks John and Jarco for the info.

I've tried the demo for PA pro and it seems good. It doesn't have the ability to run simulations with all computer players which is what I really value Wilson TTH for. Perhaps with adaptive AI this wouldn't really as useful anyway. If I'm going to spend time playing I might as well do it online but I might consider it later anyway esp. for HU play.

I have Wilson Tournament and I'm less keen to recommend this. It certainly doesn't play deep stacked NL and PL well although I think its better for smaller stacks. It also isn't very configurable. There are 3 levels of quality of play but you can't do anything about style. In this area it's almost as though this is written by different people to TTH (in which you can change just about everything). They probably set out to write a less serious program for more casual enjoyment but since they've probably already done much of the work it semms a pity not to put it in the program. There is a lot of choice with tournament structures though. I would like to be able to skip to different stages of the tourney. I also wish I could look at my opponents hole cards after the hand. I use software to learn rather than as a challenge and would like to use it as I choose. I mainly play cash games now so perhaps I'm not the best judge of this software.

In summary, if you're looking for a serious limit research tool then Wilson TTH is still the leader (although there are a lot of user interface improvements needed). If general play is what you're after or if you want NL then PA pro is probably better (and better value). It seems like PA pro will improve at a faster rate too.

For myself I think my game needs more real life play rather than computer work so I'll resist the temptation to get anymore toys for the moment. More profitable too [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[FredJones888]

poker academy is great and its much cheaper than the alternatives while still being realistic.

[Crispy86]

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Once you have figured out how to configure the bots, and it took me about an hour or so of browsing their forums, then you can get some really tough games out of PA pro, but its default settings are not much of a challenge imho.

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Could you share what changes you made? You could post them at the PA forums if you prefer BTW, but I'm curious all the same, as I haven't really done any experimenting with the profiels, and would love to know what you did if you think they are improvements.