Party 2-4 big pot

[Rico Suave]

27o:

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Yeah, that's the easy part... What do you think about the turn and river?

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The turn is close...... getting 19:2 not closing the action with all of you potential 6 outs questionable. I would probably fold; but I may be being influenced by the subsequent turn and river action.

I would lead the river and call a raise.

--Rico

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Man...I don't know about that.

If I have this right, the pot odds are 8.5/1 (though effective odds might tip the scale to -EV here given a high AF for players yet to act) and hero has close to 6 outs (that might be generous) so needs 6/1 to call. I think I'm calling 2BB here and waiting to curse when it's reraised.

River, I want to raise.

[27offsooot]

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I would lead the river and call a raise.



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Completely missed that hero is first to act. Definitely leading the river.

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I'm an idiot and said raise the river...I guess technically the lead is raising the river... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Akimka]

cap flop, bet-fold turn.

[bobbyi]

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yeah...that's my thought's. Even if you can't protect (though overcards may fold) you can certainly raise for value. You have an overpair and a gutshot to the nut straight.

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Yup. I agree that even if we can't protect (meaning we get cold-called by overcards), we have value. Even though we are sometimes beat, the fact that people are cold-calling behind us means that we only have to win this pot our fair share of the time against however many opponents come along, and between the chance that we are best now and the chance that we improve to the best hand, we've got that. If we're behind to something like 89, we have plenty of outs between our set, our straight, and having the board pair (other than the 8 or 9).

Also, I think that sometimes people on this board underestimate the ability to protect a hand. I think this is because when someone cold-calls you on the flop with a hand that has outs and then sucks out, you remember it very clearly. When they fold a hand that has outs, you don't know that they did and you don't really remember it since you are focussed on the other opponents who are still around. Protecting our hand with a flop raise is going to work very often here. We raised preflop and are raising again on the flop. Even a lot of bad players are going to realize that cold-calling (again) with KJ is a bad idea.

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I'm still looking at this hand though, wondering if this qualifies as one of the two scenarios in SSHE:

1. Passing up the small edge

2. Waiting for the turn to protect.

I'm heading home so I'll check it out then.

[sean c]

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Man...I don't know about that.

If I have this right, the pot odds are 8.5/1 (though effective odds might tip the scale to -EV here given a high AF for players yet to act) and hero has close to 6 outs (that might be generous) so needs 6/1 to call. I think I'm calling 2BB here and waiting to curse when it's reraised.

River, I want to raise.

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I just think those outs are questionable to a point I don't wanna call two cold knowing its prob getting capped. Did somebody slow play kings pre flop (MP3) is a straight already made or did someone back into a four flush playing a pair with a straight draw? I know those are all slim maybe even a stretch but added up they dirty the outs.

[young nut]

raise the flop, fold the turn, raise the river.

[PokerBob]

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You do not have odds to draw on the turn. You made your set. Raise.

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What he said.