Official Tilt Episode 5 discussion thread.

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I've watched every episode but don't remember any reason why Lowball has been trying to run off Matador. I thought they were long time shady buddies?

At the end of #4 there was a scene where Matador is informed that Clark and Miami are ready for a game with 500,000 and the game will start at 9:00. But they don't have that kind of money until this episode. What's up?

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In the beginning of one of the other episodes, Lowball mentions how when TV got into golf, it cleaned the game up since everybody was making money. Before that, it was common for golfers to make deals to ensure both would get money.

I think Lowball wants Matador out because (a)there is a power struggle going on between them and (b) Lowball knows that Matador will get caught sooner or later, and he'd bring all of them down at that time.

[jojobinks]

he wants matador out b/c of the power struggle. more specifically, lowball is the prez and no longer a player, and as such is threatened by matador's celebrity status. lowball wants to be the bigdog, and he wants the colorado to be known for being a class joint, not for being the place where the matador plays. he wants tj and "the phil's" to come play there once in a while. and matador is just scary. lowball would rather not have to erase the tapes and do other slimy stuff for him. as we all know in our "is pp rigged" discussions, there's plenty of money to be made without cheating, when you're the house.

about the 500k. sometime during episode 4, they found the info about the safedeposit box with 500k in it. that's when they set up the game. all they had to do then was triple it up and double it.

[t_petrosian]

You guys are talking about this grand power struggle as if the show has an intelligent underlying theme. The show sucks, period, the end, end of story.

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You guys are talking about this grand power struggle as if the show has an intelligent underlying theme. The show sucks, period, the end, end of story.

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valuable contribution. thanks.

next case.

[Odogg]

I have to say that I am disappointed that no one is truly breaking this situation down.

They had to be prepared for the case of them getting caught. If the tells were THAT obvious then their planning sucks ass.

Why the hell would they need to cheat in a hand in which he has a K high flush and the black dude held the nuts? Eddie did every bit of what was needed by telling the Matador that he had the Ace. What the hell is the point of checking to the chick to bet out? If the black dude leads out. The girl folds Matador assuming the nuts would go all in anyway. Sorry but that is stupid.

Ok now to the real problem. They sat down with 500k. They beat the crap out of the entire table and probably have at least doubled up to that point. So in the hand in which they could have easily busted Matador they over cheat. I am paraphrasing here.

Matador: "I have hand which I should go all in with but you and you are cheating."

Chick: "I am not cheating."

Matador: "Yes you are. If you don't give me this pot and your stakes we are going to take you upstairs and review the tape."

Chick and Black dude get up and leave. Sorry I would have a contingency plan in my pocket. If I put myself in that situation with 500k of my money and a ridiculous pot like that not to mention the money I pimped from the rest of the table, I have to be willing to die for the cause. I will be going out fighting.

But no, they say ok here is my 1 million. I am out of here.

They built a 500k bankroll and seemed to do that rather quickly. Why the hell do they really need to bust Matador. Take the extra 2 months or what ever and build your roll up to a couple of million and live life.

Sorry but that was the worst thing I have ever seen. If it comes a time I have to cheat a guy with a K high flush when I hold the Ace high flush then sorry I don't want to play this game anymore.

Also they brought out chips to the table. Why are they using cash?

I think the show is fun because we can make fun of just how stupid the situations are.

[Russ McGinley]

Like Woody Paige says, "You guys are missing the point here."

- Miami bet because she had two-pair and they knew the Matador would know this (he has a king-high flush) and raise her. Eddie would then fold and Clark would go all-in. Matador would call believing Eddie folded the A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. I think afterwards Eddie would try and tell Matador that he was holding the A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or something and just got his signal wrong.

- The fire extinguisher stunt was just that: a stunt. Him just wandering off is boring, so they threw in a stunt. I also agree with someone from earlier who said the writers must have just watched M:I before writing that scene because it looked very similar.

- The whole deal with the GC guy was to show that The Matador is great at reading people. It was a very weakly written break because everybody knew that after he shrugs off the golf clubs and the Labatt Blue Bear's girlfriend, they were obviously going that direction.

- Matador not killing Eddie because of his daughter is likely due to the fact that he realizes she might have feelings for him. Also, what were the odds she really WAS his daughter?

- Eddie going back to the apartment was dumb of him. There is no way he would not know he was outed and Matador was just waiting to get him alone somewhere to beat the sh<font color="black"></font>it out of him.

- TH getting killed right there in the sheriff's office with a hundred cops 10 feet away? I guess the sheriff will somehow get a gun planted in TH's hand despite the fact that he had about 3 seconds after the gunshot before cops swarm the room.

- Chris Bauer, who plays Lee Nickel, needs serious work on his facial expressions. Al Pacino couldn't make this dialogue appear normal so I won't blame him there, but his expressions after getting punched or thrown into something are more comical than anything.

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That being said, why would a casino bother engaging in a cheat/scam to suck $8,000 out of a guy (first episode - the cop dude shows up with $8K) when they are raking in hundreds of thousands, if not millions per day?! Why would some legendary high-limit poker player (like Doyle, Chip, et al) who probably normally plays in the $4,000-8,000 big game bother waiting up in his penthouse suite until some loser dickweed shows up with one big bet?!?!

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The Matador was upset about this. The pitboss (bald guy) got demoted to the slots because he brought this guy in. Don't you remember the "I wipe my ass with eight grand" line?

- I think the actor who plays Todd Williams looks a lot like DMX. If you didn't know any better, you might think he was DMX.

- They didn't bankroll themselves. Seymour had $502K in a safety deposit box which they gathered.

This show will not win any Emmy's anytime soon. I enjoy the show for what it is. I also am looking forward to the dynamic duo of Nickel/Lowball and their potential hookup with the Three Stooges.

Also, I agree that part of the fun of watching this show is making fun of it. Its our own MST3K.

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- The whole deal with the GC guy was to show that The Matador is great at reading people. It was a very weakly written break because everybody knew that after he shrugs off the golf clubs and the Labatt Blue Bear's girlfriend, they were obviously going that direction.

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Thank You, I was trying to remember where I'd seen her before

[Army Eye]

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They built a 500k bankroll and seemed to do that rather quickly. Why the hell do they really need to bust Matador. Take the extra 2 months or what ever and build your roll up to a couple of million and live life.


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They all want revenge on Matador for past times he has busted them. That's been pretty well established.

[Voltron87]

This show has turned into an absolute train wreck.

[MagnoliasFM]

My favorite scene from Episode 5 was when Eddie got rock-bottomed by the Matador and his body hit the glass table in slow motion, and they showed a Card Player magazine flying in the air. I couldn't stop laughing.