If you could control education in the US... - Page 3

pokerjo22 · #21 02-07-2005, 01:39 PM

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Govt education is nothing more than a wonderfully efficient brainwashing machine.

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Yes, our higher education institutions are famous for their agreement with the Bush administration. Just full of right-wing neo-con Christian fundamentalists.

elwoodblues · #22 02-07-2005, 01:39 PM

Those are the only two possibilites: Suck or keep it exactly the same?

You suck. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

elwoodblues · #23 02-07-2005, 01:41 PM

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Results? That's the way you get ahead in any other profession - get results.

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As measured by...
who has the smartest kids?
some test (so teachers teach to the test)?

jakethebake · #24 02-07-2005, 01:43 PM

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I think we need to start basing teachers' pay on merit instead of tenure.

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Merit as measured by........?

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Results? That's the way you get ahead in any other profession - get results.

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Results as measured by....?

elwoodblues · #25 02-07-2005, 01:43 PM

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Look at all of the posters in here who say they hate school, yet have scored 1550 on SAT's

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Looks like our system should then strive to have more people hate school.

Ask anybody, they'll tell you "I turned out alright, but the system itself doesn't work."

BeerMoney · #26 02-07-2005, 01:45 PM

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Those are the only two possibilites: Suck or keep it exactly the same?

You suck. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Thanks for the personal attack.

Make an argument for why you like our education system.. Why just make some nitpicky "let's not take your statement with a grain of salt" statement? I would agree, we do well in our attempt to educate everyone, encourage diversity, etc.. But, you have to admit, overall, the system needs changing.

I will tell you my experience..

In elementary school, I think i learned a good amount, even in JHS as well..

However, in HS, I had many teachers who didn't teach a thing. We would go into class, and play paper football, or just sit and talk........ And, I went to a better school. I can't imagine what is going on in some of the crappier schools. These teachers got paid the same as my math teachers who were challenging me from day to day the way a teacher is supposed to.

Patrick del Poker Grande · #27 02-07-2005, 01:46 PM

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Results? That's the way you get ahead in any other profession - get results.

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As measured by...
who has the smartest kids?
some test (so teachers teach to the test)?

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I'm not in the business of defining how to measure results for different professions and I must say I'm not a huge fan of standardized tests. That being said, there must be some way to measure results and I find it incredibly stupid to pay a person a ton of money just because he's been around for a while. Even worse is when you can't fire someone who is obviously terrible just because he has tenure. Every other profession in America has figured out the best method for measuring the effectiveness of the employees in their specific field and I see no reason why teaching should be any different.

elwoodblues · #28 02-07-2005, 01:47 PM

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Yes, our higher education institutions are famous for their agreement with the Bush administration. Just full of right-wing neo-con Christian fundamentalists.

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Of course not, but there are many assumptions that go unquestioned. For example, how many people in school have truly questioned whether our system of government is the best? That free-market economies work better than others? That free speech is a good thing? These all might very well be true, but they largely go unquestioned.

BeerMoney · #29 02-07-2005, 01:50 PM

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Results? That's the way you get ahead in any other profession - get results.

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As measured by...
who has the smartest kids?
some test (so teachers teach to the test)?

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Just because you can't think of a way off the top of your head doesn't mean that it can't be done.

elwoodblues · #30 02-07-2005, 01:50 PM

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Thanks for the personal attack.

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Grow up (and that one was a personal attack, unlike the last one which was obviously a joke.)

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But, you have to admit, overall, the system needs changing.

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It needs tweaking. I don't think it needs a major overhaul. We are very successful at education everyone. The fringes at the top and bottom get less out of the system, but for the most part it works very well.