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Old 01-10-2005, 04:07 AM
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Mason,

I have to say I agree with mike l. here. The concern is primarily with him paying you off when you have a better hand, no? I can see him paying off with the vast majority of worse hands, so I definitely see a river raise here.

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Old 01-10-2005, 04:08 AM
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I think if BB has any more than trips he c/r our hero. Hero raised preflop to show strength and bet the flop which puts hero on an Ace. I think that you missed a raise on the river.
However, I think the betting pattern of the BB is a little weird too. Could it be the case that Hero didn't have much respect at the table and BB bets the turn and river to represent trips (which presumably puts Hero on a small to medium pair) Anyone agree or disagree?? Any thoughts on Villian's betting pattern??
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Old 01-10-2005, 04:12 AM
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I think Mason gets some sort of sick pleasure out of having people disagree with him.

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Old 01-10-2005, 05:13 AM
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Hi Mason,

Unless you are playing against a solid opponent and is extremely tricky, I can see why a flat call down here is possible. If an opponent knows you are too smart to be check-raised, then his option of betting the turn and river is the correct play.

Otherwise against most standard opponents I will 3-bet that river.

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Old 01-10-2005, 07:25 AM
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Hi Mason,

Do you put him on AJ or 22 (possibly JJ), if not why no river raise?

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Old 01-10-2005, 07:54 AM
ShamaLamDingDong ShamaLamDingDong is offline
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I like calling the turn to trap in weaker hands that plan on folding to a raise but clearly enough hands will call on the river that a raise is well worth it. Against a fairly competant player who would fold all hands you beat to a river raise you can just call to. However most players in the 80-160 game at the bellagio will not be able to fold trips with a worse kicker and some will always call the river raise with a jack. It would help alot if you clarified how your opponent plays. Against the majority of players in that game a raise is warrented in my oppinion.

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Old 01-10-2005, 08:52 AM
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Default You put him on 5 3, and calling.....

if you thought the big blind would call your raise,
which he did, the only logical hand you feared was
5 3 for the straight. Hitting your trip A with the best
kicker, I don't believe you was thinking of him filling up
with his JJ or 22.
So, am I right, the only reason you did not raise the river
was the str8?
Thanks Mason
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Old 01-10-2005, 08:55 AM
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You might run into the random 3-bet on the river but I still think it's the best play, unless I had a big read on the player in question.

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Old 01-10-2005, 09:32 AM
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You let KJ push keep you down here? Why the hell you didn't raise the river, only you can explain.

These games, these days, make this an easy river raise.
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Old 01-10-2005, 09:49 AM
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Once you call the turn, what hands do you think that BB would value bet? In particular does he expect you to call with KK and QQ?
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