Stangest overpair I've ever played.

[MaxPower]

Back to basics Joe. Free cards are bad.

[Tommy Angelo]

"I'd love one of the cold-callers to raise me and clear out the field."

Above all, that's the reason to bet, IMO. It's not so much that I'd love for one of cold-callers to raise. It's that I'm obligated, as a cooperator, to give them a chance to raise.

What the toughest players I know do is, on the flop, the legit contenders team up. They bet and raise to make dead money. Then the turn and river happens. It's like two phases. I think you have to bet this flop for the team.

Tommy

[JimmyV]

Everything depends on whether someone after you presents any decent likelihood of raising.

If the chances are as slim as you say -- which certainly seems a rare scenario -- then I think this is a terrific play. It makes people tentative just a bit as well, since you could be slowplaying a set.

Count me among the approvers.

JimmyV

[SA125]

Nice to see a post from you Joe. I see where you said you didn't expect many callers. I can see how that would effect your plan on playing the hand. But, short of a set or rainbow, could you have asked for a better flop to bet into?

Tommy - "What the toughest players I know do is, on the flop, the legit contenders team up. They bet and raise to make dead money. Then the turn and river happens. It's like two phases. I think you have to bet this flop for the team."

This is was a great answer and I think showed, more than the good flop for you, why you have to bet that flop.

SteveA.

[Joe Tall]

The jury is still out with me on this hand. I just don't feel like I have enough value in a flop bet knowing I'm taking 4 to the turn at least.

Well, I checked, got my wish and it was checked through.

Turn: 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]], near perfect.

The BB check, one EP called and I raised, the BB then folded, EP called.

Heads up to the river: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Check, bet, fold and I drag.

Thanks for your comments and replies. Hope all had a safe New year.

-Joe Tall

[Peter_rus]

[ QUOTE ]
That's exactly what was going through my head. I just wanted a free turn, play-on, situation. Like if 4cards flopped.


[/ QUOTE ]

Than you must not raise PF [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Luke]

Interesting post Joe. I would bet this flop *without thinking* 100% of the time but that doesn't mean it's right.

I guess my question for you is, aside from when you flop a set, are there any flops that you would bet given the preflop action?

Luke

[Joe Tall]

Err.....the BB bet the turn.

[Joe Tall]

are there any flops that you would bet given the preflop action?

Oh yeah. 222, 333, 444, etc. Monotone, Axx - folding to a raise. Sure, a bunch.

[Luke]

are there any flops that you would bet given the preflop action?

Oh yeah. 222, 333, 444, etc. Monotone, Axx - folding to a raise. Sure, a bunch.

haha, alright, fair enough. Nice hand Joe.

Luke