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Old 01-06-2005, 02:36 PM
Chris Daddy Cool Chris Daddy Cool is offline
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Default Re: Another terrible play.

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Not raising the flop, thereby giving the folks with overcards the right odds to call and catch, is poor poker. Nothing unusual. Just consistent poor advice and weak play.

Nice to see that there are those out there who are intentionally giving poor advice, keeping down the overall level of talent. Much appreciated.

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you keep on pointing out that tommy gives out poor advice, but i've never seen tommy suggest anyone play like he plays or see him give bad advice when looking at other peoples' hands.
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Old 01-06-2005, 02:58 PM
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Default Re: Another terrible play.

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you keep on pointing out that tommy gives out poor advice, but i've never seen tommy suggest anyone play like he plays or see him give bad advice when looking at other peoples' hands.

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Good point
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Old 01-06-2005, 03:08 PM
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Default Re: Another terrible play.

you keep on pointing out that tommy gives out poor advice, but i've never seen tommy suggest anyone play like he plays or see him give bad advice when looking at other peoples' hands.

nevermind that tommy only posts hands that he knows will get people chatting. what he doesnt post are the 99% of the hands he probably plays by the book.
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Old 01-06-2005, 04:20 PM
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Default Re: easy does it

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"The turn was a five. L2 checked and L3 bet. I put L3 on a ten or an eight. I called, and L2 called. I put L2 on a draw. Still three of us."

If you put him on a ten or an eight then not raising here at the very least was awful since you can fold to a threebet and would either give yourself a lot more safe cards on the river when L2 folds or charge him an extra bet to draw. Plus you're getting called on the river by a T anyways. You earned a lot less than you should have here.

-Michael

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Can't JT or T9 confidently 3-bet the pfr on the turn knowing Tommy's got overs and poor position in this hand. If Tommy raises to protect, he might lose his customer and be drawing to 1 or 2 outs against the 8.

I don't see how you can protect your hand against a multi-draw board like this where you are going to hate more than half the deck AND you are possibly behind. Any overcard, any middle (straightish or boat-building) card, any flush card. Even an undercard doesn't feel quite right with the drawing limper in there.
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Old 01-06-2005, 04:31 PM
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Default Re: easy does it

nice hand R1.
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Old 01-06-2005, 04:41 PM
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Default Re: easy does it

He kept the three way action going until the river. What's better than that? Why force someone out when he can make more money on every street this way.
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Old 01-06-2005, 04:47 PM
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Played perfectly. Some will never get it.
Ni Han Tommy.

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Please. We call these people "winning players."
-James
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Old 01-06-2005, 04:51 PM
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He kept the three way action going until the river. What's better than that? Why force someone out when he can make more money on every street this way.

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Why not make the player who is on a draw (Tommy's words) put in 2 bets on the turn, especially since he's not going to put any in on the river when he misses...
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Old 01-06-2005, 04:59 PM
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On the turn we'd be making L2 call two cold. Do we know L2 will call two cold on a paired board with his draw? Or are we likely to force him out?
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Old 01-06-2005, 05:38 PM
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On the turn we'd be making L2 call two cold. Do we know L2 will call two cold on a paired board with his draw? Or are we likely to force him out?

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Both results are better for us than him calling 1 bet if he has a legitimate draw.
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