Interesting HU 100-200 hand

[daryn]

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Nice! Looks like a HU challenge about to go down.

When's it gonna happen boys?

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the master didn't accept yet [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

he will probably say it's not worth his time [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img], i mean this guy can make $2,000/hr teaching people how to play poker.

[barongreenback]

There are a lot of scary things at poker but what really keeps me awake at night and fills me with dread every time I play is that my opponents will check their big hands to the river.

[naphand]

He's also got his "clients" to lose. If you win the HU challenge it means all his prospective pupils are gonna think twice about who they go to for advice... [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Shawn Keller]

I'll play you or anyone else with something to prove headsup 80-160 or headsup 200-400.

No LOL I will not play you headsup 15-30 the 10-15 blind structure makes it so unpleasant in the first place, more importantly it is certainly not worth my time.

BTW for the people who have replied inquiring about personal instruction (yes there have been several inquires) I'll need at least 2-4 weeks notice before we set up a date also depending on the specifics, for example if you wanted 10 hours of instruction over 2 sessions and none of the action (I'd plan on most of the instruction after maybe the first hour, being me explaining online play while the student observes) I could cut the rate down to $400 an hour, $4000 total. I know its a lot of money to anyone, but my goal would be to increase your lifetime earn in the games I'm training you in by $10+ an hour.

Shawn "Lightning" Keller

[The4Aces]

Hey, Your brother did the same thing aginst some drunk in the WSOP. And then he folded his pocket Qs and the other guy had 5/3 i bet your brother felt silly.

[Tosh]

You challenge Daryn, he accepts and now to your surprise he accepts. So its time for you to wuss out I guess, classy.

[naphand]

I would strongly advise anyone considering instruction to give this individual a wide berth. If he is so supremely arrogant (and he certainly seems that way) that he thinks $5K is good value for 10 hours of instruction then either he is the greatest teacher this planet has produced, or you are getting short-changed. There is almost no way that you can learn enough in 10 hours to make it worth paying this kind of money for the limits most forum players play at (most being $10/$20 or less). It is not worth your time.

If, indeed, the level of his instruction is so high to make the 10 hours valuable, you would have to be very good to start with, and be looking at playing a game that makes this kind of fee acceptable. At $100/$200 that is 25BB for 10 hours, or about 2.5 BB/hr. Seems reasonable. And don't take any BS about "making you a lifetime income" I get that kind sh1t spammed to me every day. Forget fees like this until you are:

(i) Playing at a very high level, with a strong game.
(ii) Looking to play in some high stakes (world-class) games ($100/$200 or perhaps something like $30/$60 minimum) on a regular basis.
(iii) Are in a position to assess this players abilities.

I would also strongly recommend you ask for references from previous "pupils" including evidence of how much more they have earned. Also I think some kind of written guarantee of results would be appropriate.

If this person is a great player, a great teacher, with a professional approach to his "instruction" he should have no problem providing references, evidence and some written guarantee. If he cannot, don't even think about it. Any financial advice you seek should be treated this way, you need professional conduct and guarantees before parting with large sums of money. Don't let anyone, no matter how gobby they get, talk you into anything without this.

The language this individual uses, and his attitude, while it may be common among winning players, is not one I would expect to find in a professional teacher with an active interest in providing you with a first class service. If he can prove me wrong, then let him and good for him. I suspect we will see nothing of the kind.

As for Daryn's challenge - good for you Daryn. You said he would find an excuse, and you were right. Exactly what did this individual expect you to play for? The $200/$400 thing is a joke, and he knows it.

Chickenlittl has chickened out. I would have thought that such a "world-class" teacher could have seen a match like this as a great marketing exercise, after all there would be a lot of people watching that game and he could "talk" people through his superior plays. It is possible to find other world class players playing at very low limits (there have been a few posts, the recent Erik123 HU one being an example) so the notion that is it "not worth his time" is BS. Anyone with any understanding of marketing (or even just enough confidence) would see such a challenge as a fantastic opportunity to establish credentials among a very influential group of poker thinkers. There would be a lot of people interested in this match-up, against one of the Forum's most respected heads-up players, and it would probably be discussed and talked about for some time afterwards, giving "the lightning" plenty of opportunity to further enhance his credentials with professional insight into the plays made (regardless of the result).

Find your tuition elsewhere, he doesn't care for it anyway. Looks like he cannot take the heat.

[Benjamin]

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I would also strongly recommend you ask for references from previous "pupils" including evidence of how much more they have earned. Also I think some kind of written guarantee of results would be appropriate.


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References are reasonable, a guarantee is not. How can he be responsible for how you put his teaching to effect? What if you're a basket-case under pressure who couldn't win if Doyle himself gave you 100 hours of coaching?

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Any financial advice you seek should be treated this way, you need professional conduct and guarantees before parting with large sums of money. Don't let anyone, no matter how gobby they get, talk you into anything without this.

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You will find few guarantees in the financial world, unless you want a low fixed rate return. Financial advisors and managers never offer guarantees that I'm aware of.

B.

[naphand]

A good teacher will not take on head-case pupils, something to do with being able to produce a result and get references.

No guarantees in the financial markets. This is a joke right? It is one of the most heavily regulated industries in the world. The UK has just seen one of the big 4 high street banks fined £millions and forced to write to every one of its customers for giving misleading advice.

If his promise is to help people earn more money, then he either backs that up with some kind of guarantee or he stops making the claim. Can he even show what kind of improvements his clients have had? Ever heard of dissatisfied customers asking for refunds? $5K up-front with no protection smacks of scam to me, if you want to see it as "opportunity" you can, it's your money.

I made no mention of a guarantee of profits, just some kind of results-based guarantee, that can take a lot of different forms than the one you have decided it is ($$ based). Take a job as a broker and they have an interest in making you a succesful broker for their company, that is a form of guarantee (i.e. that will train your properly and mentor you, and it is in their interests to do so). Free advertsing on the forum, no-one knows who he is, $5K up front, no promises. Yeah that sounds a good deal....are you really that naive?

[EvanJC]

lol [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]